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"The wording was ( WE RECEIVED AN OFFER WE CAN NOT REFUSE)" .... Like Sparta ????? How can these 'no-brainer' decisions ... keep turning into...

Gee Doc .... It is hard for others to participate when you are the only one that can answer your questions to your satisfaction. You may want to...

Nice shotgun .... and you are so slick no one will figure-out you are trying to steer traffic to your site.

Well Neil, in your example you are saying the only thing that changed is perception. In Trapshooting the perception is always needing a perfect...

"The ATA is doing just fine in Sparta." Have you been there ???? I have. I don't care where they have the Grand ... but if you are not in Sparta to...

If .... "Doc has thrown down the gloves" .... I think the offer to accept was within reason.

How does the race to the fence make anyone better ???? If I am not an A-class or higher singles shooter ... shooting at the fence will do what for...

To me ... this ... "help those struggling shooters get to the fence" ... makes no sense ... Why does a "struggling shooter" ... need help ......

"Yes, there are lots of 27yd. shooters that shouldn't be there, but just the same for all yards.." .... really ??? How many "22-23-24-25" yard...

"what changed in those years" In 1971 you shot from the 27 because you had to ... it said you were good enough to be handicapped at that level, and...

This is an 'if all things are equal' type of thing .... A winner is always a winner .... the place in time or the sport of choice doesn't make as...

"TROLL ALERT!!!" .... is an insult to Trolls .... A low-level-Imp on a good day.

"Is that fair or is drawing banks at the beginning of the shoot day much fairer?" Do you remember my 'story' I told on TS dot com about the Kentucky...

"With all the advancements in gun adjust-ability and instructional clinics etc." The crap about the 'guns-of-today' being 'better-equipment' because...

I don't think any of those on the 'Grand Slam list' look down on anyone else on the list. All the living people on the list know what it takes to get...

Calm-down Doc ..... if I want to insult you I will make it clear. Unlike someone playing you for a fool .....

The "dong sock" would require balls to put in it .... That requirement seems to be missing from someone who chases "Dr.Longshot" around to like...

The 'other-site' reminds me of some 'Trade-Shows' ... charge people to park, charge everyone to enter, charge the vendors to 'set-up', charge anyone...

If .... the complaint alleges .... "no score-sheets" .... how does this fit ????? "The Executive Committee may at any time at its discretion suspend...

Not so much as where a near miss could happen ... but the effect of a faster moving object on what it hits. Does a 'mass' do more damage with...

It is not that they don't have enough rules .... They just make things worse by taking an action that has no backing. If your going to make things...

Funny thing is .... no matter how many times I read pages "10 and 11", I can not find the PENALTY for the club not keeping the 'score-sheets for at...

"Jo2, you're so correct about having to accurately point each and every target regardless of shell velocity." Speed kills .... does a couple of...

So .... the 'rule-book experts' need to back this action up with the 'proper rule' that may apply. Because ... if the ATA can remove targets from a...

"The ATA did not record the scores of targets without scoresheets therefore they decided it was prudent to return those fees." How can they remove...

If the ONLY violation was no score-sheets ... why would ANYONE let their targets be taken away ???? That is a club violation, not a shooter...

"Those who feel today's incredibly easy targets are a huge problem should take advantage of it. Just attend as many big ATA shoots as possible and...

"I have seen the same person who initially set the targets reset a trap when he walks up on it, never could figure that one out ..." Why do you...

It's half-way from the 2014 Grand to the 2015 Grand .... It is decision-making time for some that travel far, and are not retired. If those in...

Forget Trapshooting ... Why lock the door on your house when you leave. Or ... the doors on your car/truck ... why bother if a thief is going to...

"You can't fix this." ..... maybe .... We could spend days creating 'scenarios' that may not be stoppable .... or we could get real and say cheating...

If you want an opinion ..... this would be mine ..... First .... If something close to this would happen again ..... hold off on the 'official...

I don't think someone could "intentionally miss" a bunch of targets without having a bad effect on your game. Shooting the targets and reporting a...

I like the dot com twist ... Parking-lot and camper bets have been around for a long time .... adding a dot com public view to it is interesting, if...

"What they can prove is that the club doesn't have the score sheets as they are required to." ....... Club ... not me. "At the end of the day all we...

"did the guy really get caught cheating? I'd say no" ..... really ????? I shot registered targets Sunday ... I looked at the score sheets ......

If hurting my feelings was your goal ..... you failed. "won't respond like an ass" .... well, if that is based on my opinion .... you win.

"User the loser" .... "doggy boy" .... "Bring your little tag along with you also" ..... "now you can lick your rear" ..... are you a little...

OK ... the NFL .... when were the false scores submitted by two different entities for the sake of better positioning one team ????? Remember we are...

"I was just saying that there are other sports that have the same problems." ..... really ????? Please tell the uninformed like myself which sports...

If you think "one win wonders" are even in the same ball-park as a group effort of clubs and shooters, to position one of their own for a possible...

"I don't think anyone will be stripped of a title." The real shame of that, in my opinion is ...... when people look at a collage of past winners,...

When all who participated in this thread get tired .... ask this .... who on the thread has been DQ'ed for 'shells' ??? And why this person has such...

Heck .... that person probably died 10 years ago. The level of cheating that has been tolerated in ATA shooting is now coming to a head. It took the...

"On the other hand, is this what it's only about?" ...... no This was not a small infraction like shooting questionable shells, or calling a target,...

I am bored enough to have a useless exchange with someone on a grade-school level ..... But, I will respect those who spent the time and money to...

"You made the accusations" ???? ..... do tell. What did I accuse someone of ???? Being overpaid to do nothing ????? That my friend is an opinion.

"given up" .... would apply to one who has tried. If you let it happen, you own it. Feel free to make me look a fool, by pointing out the great...

"justice for Mr. Bickle" .... should happen. And all the other effects of cheating on this level should be addressed. There are other people who may...

If the barrel was over 21 inches, one could assume that a choke would only slow it down.