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You'd better take every reduction. You, like me, are always first or 2nd losers.

Impossible!

So tell all of us what your overall handicap average is!

There's not a line close enough to the traphouse to make many shooters competitive with top 27 yd. shooters. If so many shooters can't break a 16yd....

Yup, I took mine today. On the 25 and moving forward.

Garry, having already poor shooters flailing away at 27 yd. targets and breaking 50's out of a 100 won't create happiness-just more frustration.

Doc, the old rules called for targets to be thrown no less than 48 nor more than 52 yds. Current rules call for targets to be thrown between 49 and...

According to the late great Frank Little and his observations many years ago each yard of handicap would result in a 1% reduction in averages. The 30...

I hate to remind you of an incident at the Grand American many years ago. I reported a well known sandbagger to the central handicap chairman. The...

The one and only answer is more concrete. No one but the best shooters are adversely affected. The vast majority of ATA affiliated clubs will never...

Let's look at this from another perspective. My 11 yo son averages around 82% from the 18 yd. line. His highest handicap score this year was an 87. I...

Those darn 18 yd. shooters were winning all those trinkets and there were none left for the 20 yrdrs. Waa,waa waa.

Mob scene likely.

The only sight picture that counts is the one that puts the majority of the shot on the target.

"some doubles" usually means two traps were set for doubles at the end of the day. That can also mean two traps were available for non-registered...

Obviously "large enough" pertains to any club with more than one trap.

Not completely correct either. You can have a two trap club in Timbuctoo IA (you know, the ones Harlan Campbell always competes at) and only generate...

Careful children. Sir Neil's opinion is absolutely correct. Non-ATA shooters can shoot at other traps, skeet houses or sporting clays courses while...

What it means at one time you were picked for that team based on shooting ability. The criteria has changed in the last few years.

Wow, we got rid of the 18 yd. line. Those incompetents really screwed up the handicap system with those frequent victories from that extremely short...

The negativity about calcuttas usually comes from professional trinket shooters.

We call 'em Dupont Spinners where I come from.

So who voted for that stupid money punch rule and why did it suddenly become a stupid rule this year? Maybe they'll all grow up one day and realize...

I see Sir Neil wasn't around when we shot for new cars, guns and cash. Shoots were well attended and people played the options heavily. Some of us...

Maybe if we didn't have such a back log of high average handicap shooters standing on the 27 unlike the average book from 1980 I'm comparing, things...

Great show. Unfortunately he played no options or the big boys would be in tears.

Neil, you don't seem to get it. The money shooters left the ATA because of the ATA's nearsighted rules that favored professional trapshooters and...

Including my beer bill?

Money punch eliminated, 18yd line-gone. Does this mean Harlan and his ilk will be moving farther back-not.

They used starlings too but the bird boys rejected handling 'em. Now it's just increasingly expensive pigeons.

Funny how I never had any difficulty renting a motel room in Vandalia. Nor did I have any difficulty obtaining a cheap flight to the airport located...

Clueless as usual. Doesn't even know most pigeons are trapped at where they gather. Pen raised birds are poor flyers. See, he's turning down a chance...

Throw a few $$ at the bird boys and you'd be treating yourself to weeks of eating squab. So much for that chicken droppings easy out.

He claimed to be some kind of hunter so I challenged him to a live bird match for a mere $500. I found out he's a hunter by name only and a pussycat...

I hope.

Much has happened with guns and ammo since Frank wrote that article. Let's not forget voice pulling which made the current fence much easier. I was...

The money shooters left years ago and were replaced with "trinkets only" shooters. The bread and butter guys who weren't afraid to gamble got smart...

Expensive practice-the evolution of Trapshooting.

Heck, I saw an All-American lady shooter classed "C" Singles, 27yds, AA Doubles at the last shoot I attended. So what's the big deal?

Perazzis have more sensitivity issues.

Let us know if you got a payoff large enough to cover the event entry!

It's different with a Seitz than a Perazzi. Ask Shaeffer if you don't believe me?

Of course optional yardage creates problems. Without feeder smaller clubs the ATA is doomed. Pick your poison and the final number!

Go for it. My opinion was asked for and I outlined both pros and cons. I was actually referred to as the resident rocket scientist on ATA matters....

So, Sir Neil wasn't as dumb as many suggest.

#1-eliminate the "money punch" from handicap-very likely. #2-Help the small clubs by making a yardage increase for handicap scores 95 or below...

If you continually miss the quartering right target off post 2 you're likely shooting a POI too low. That's for right hand shooters only. Take that...

Who's whining? I'm saving much time and money simply driving me and the family to Cardinal Center in another week. One hour closer to me than...

The joy of driving to distant trapshoots eludes most 70 yo's. Congrats to those with the desire, stamina and strong backs. Me, if I can't fly to any...