Iowa Guy, Go to the minutes of the April 09 2003 meeting of the EC. go to pg. 32-33 Read Mr Aklin's report on the placement of the machine in...
Lefty, I'm not stupid enough to name people if I do not have positive proof of wrong doing. If I am wrong I do not want to damage any ones name...
Bat, I am talking about all of the changes made to accomadate the Pat traps. When added together they have changed the sport of trap shooting....
Heritage Inn, It is clean and reasonable.
Bat, I am not stupid enough to make a statement that I can not Prove. When I name names I will have what I need to prove what went down. If...
Waren61, Maybe if a problem is ignored it will fade away. I think that is wishful thinking.
Don, And yet when the ATA said that all traps had to be certified. They were told that many did not meet the rules. Some delegates knew this...
I am also looking for answers. Who benefited from the no bid contract? Who has the 8 extra machines? Who benefited from all the changes that had to...
Roger , is back. I have received some tid bits about some of the not so transparent doings of the ATA officials. Some are out right surprises...
I have received some info already, and more is said to be coming. There are still some people that know about the meaning of integrity.
I have asked these questions several times before on here. #1 What was the deal that was to good to be passed up by the EC in cancelling the quotes...
I have stated this before. The 2 hole targets were not as prevalent as some on here would have you all to believe. They use this as an excuse to...
Gary, There was letter asking for bids, but before they could be submitted we received a letter stating we received an offer we could not refuse...
Family Guy, These are questions that very much need answers. I'm looking for them as every shooter should also. Something smells about this...
It has got to be somewhere as the ATA paid the invoice. I'm sure someone knows where the figures are posted.. I'll let you know as soon as I get...
Leonidas, That is what must be done to keep control of this sport. Many times new delegates are leaned on by one of the older members. They must...
Leonidas, I advocated nothing in my post. I just wondered if you ever checked up on your delegate. If you do, great as most do not. Roger
Leonidas, Are you sure your delegate always votes the way the majority in you state feel about a item? We had a delegate tell us in a...
Lefty, My problem is not with the people that do not agree with me. My problem is with people that are either blind or ignorant as to what has...
jmunsel, The problem is you do not know enough about this sport and its history to make a judgement call and tell the long time supporters to...
WPT, Call me you have my home phone. Roger C.
I forgot we did save squads for management, but they were for any one that came in late for the shoot not for prefered people. Some flew in and...
I did the pre squading at the Phoenix club for a few years. It was amazing how many good buddies I had at that time. What I did was as the pre...
Leonidas, That is called the luck of the draw. Maybe the trap GOD is punishing you for being bad. LOL Roger
The years that I helped had to have been in the mid 80's as I left Ohio in 1988 David Bopp was still with tha ATA when I helped. Iowa guy,...
Birddog, What I was referring to is the amount of hard angles that you would get if the trap was set in the 3 hole. That is where the luck of the...
Hey Doc. I see you can get Neil's good buddies to respond to your posts.
They were not throwing two hole targets in Vandalia when I helped set them. The actual number of three hole targets that the machines threw in a...
HisoryBuff, I was only trying to tell you where more info might be found. I did not mean to imply that you needed more info.
Neil, The fact that no one seemed to care about where the machine was in the house is probable the begining of no one caring about any of the...
Patent has nothing to do with using tooling other than you own. If your tooling is in the posession of a company that makes parts for your company...
It is against the law to use anothers companies tooling to produce a product for a third party. I believe it falls in the catagory of fraud. Roger
HistoryBuff, My Co. was the manfacturer dist. for the Remington traps and I do not remember a diagram of trap house dim. The phone # of my...
Neil, I do not dispute the dimensions that you quoted are now in the rule book. Were they adopted before the apperence of the Pat trap or after?...
Neil, When we sent out info on how to build a trap house that was the print we supplied. There was a dim. on how far below the pads that the...
Oleo, The GMV is a far superior machine to anything we can get on todays market. They had the best machine and the worst management team I ever...
Neil, I do not have the rule books. It probably goes back to when I was building machines, most likely in the late 80's and early 90's. W.W....
The Pat's won out because the ATA made a large purchase of them. This officially Made them the machine of choice. The only reason we know of for...
Hap, Most clubs will never see a 28 yd. shooter let alone a 30 yd. shooter. Any other changes to the game will hurt the less skillful among us....
bif3' Do you know what happened to the money that we shooters put into that pot? I'm just curious. It was up in the thousands. Roger
Trapshooter; What ever happened to all that money that was in the perfect middle 50's. After Ralph closed, we ask him and his answer was what...
JO2. One of the problems with target presentation on the Pat's was they did not meet the rule book height rule as to where the target was to...
Dr. Shimming up the front of the hand set machine did not show more face if the targets were properly set to the rule book. I see you making...
Oleo What rule book??????? The one that is not followed by cheating clubs and shooters. Or the one that many shooters want to live by? How...
Kenny, There is a lot of history that needs to be known and preserved. Also a lot that does not need to be discussed on this open forum. If I...
When I looked at Tom's invention he had no tooling to produce the product.Having a patent is not proof of concept. GMV had aworking model for an...
Maybe wishbone has a comprehension problem. along with other things.
What was funny about the integrity post. You do know the meaning of the word do you not? Roger
Trapshooter, I looked at that process when the name was ground off of the band and I recognised it for what it was. The dimensions have now been...
Does it not say that 17 deg. is normal, but a target = + - 10 deg. on either side is legal. But they are not to be set at the greater angles? Roger...
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