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They were not throwing two hole targets in Vandalia when I helped set them. The actual number of three hole targets that the machines threw in a...

HisoryBuff, I was only trying to tell you where more info might be found. I did not mean to imply that you needed more info.

Neil, The fact that no one seemed to care about where the machine was in the house is probable the begining of no one caring about any of the...

Patent has nothing to do with using tooling other than you own. If your tooling is in the posession of a company that makes parts for your company...

It is against the law to use anothers companies tooling to produce a product for a third party. I believe it falls in the catagory of fraud. Roger

HistoryBuff, My Co. was the manfacturer dist. for the Remington traps and I do not remember a diagram of trap house dim. The phone # of my...

Neil, I do not dispute the dimensions that you quoted are now in the rule book. Were they adopted before the apperence of the Pat trap or after?...

Neil, When we sent out info on how to build a trap house that was the print we supplied. There was a dim. on how far below the pads that the...

Oleo, The GMV is a far superior machine to anything we can get on todays market. They had the best machine and the worst management team I ever...

Neil, I do not have the rule books. It probably goes back to when I was building machines, most likely in the late 80's and early 90's. W.W....

The Pat's won out because the ATA made a large purchase of them. This officially Made them the machine of choice. The only reason we know of for...

Hap, Most clubs will never see a 28 yd. shooter let alone a 30 yd. shooter. Any other changes to the game will hurt the less skillful among us....

bif3' Do you know what happened to the money that we shooters put into that pot? I'm just curious. It was up in the thousands. Roger

Trapshooter; What ever happened to all that money that was in the perfect middle 50's. After Ralph closed, we ask him and his answer was what...

JO2. One of the problems with target presentation on the Pat's was they did not meet the rule book height rule as to where the target was to...

Dr. Shimming up the front of the hand set machine did not show more face if the targets were properly set to the rule book. I see you making...

Oleo What rule book??????? The one that is not followed by cheating clubs and shooters. Or the one that many shooters want to live by? How...

Kenny, There is a lot of history that needs to be known and preserved. Also a lot that does not need to be discussed on this open forum. If I...

When I looked at Tom's invention he had no tooling to produce the product.Having a patent is not proof of concept. GMV had aworking model for an...

Maybe wishbone has a comprehension problem. along with other things.

What was funny about the integrity post. You do know the meaning of the word do you not? Roger

Trapshooter, I looked at that process when the name was ground off of the band and I recognised it for what it was. The dimensions have now been...

Does it not say that 17 deg. is normal, but a target = + - 10 deg. on either side is legal. But they are not to be set at the greater angles? Roger...

Twodogs, What are you afraid of? If someone wants to target you they can easily find your name and address in the ATA records. I feel fairly...

Rosey, The only way to make the handicap more even is to ADD yardage. Any thing else will be harder on the less accomplished shooters. Very few...

Try calling Rod Shyda at lincoln traps. He is one of the most knowledgable people in the shooting industry about traps. Roger C.

Leonidas, Stewart is a bull headed man, He did not want anyone improving his machine. The spring breakage is the least of the reasons not to like...

Leonidas, I do not think so. The reason for the change was do to an inferior design when a spring broke on a Pat it would do a lot of damage to...

Dr. The rubber band also increases speed after warming up. The difference between the band and a spring is the band needs constant flexing to...

Leonidas, I made a typo. It was 8 machines, and they were delivered to two different locations. Four to each place. Roger C.

Badactor, We enforce the rules on ourselves, that is what an honorable man does. If he does not he should be ashamed to look in a mirror while...

Wishbone, If I started a web site only ATA shooters would be able to post. I think that would leave you out. As you are afraid to be known, we...

GW22, You say you do not care. If that is true you are not a true trap sportsman. Everyone that is involved in the sport of trap shooting must...

Leonidas, About the four machines/// For legal reasons I can not pass on the info that was handed to me. All I can say is they went to two...

Family Guy, Anyone that had anything to do with trap machines as a dealer or repairman could have told the ATA that the Pat threw an inferior...

Bat, Do not put Neil on a pedestal he is not a candidate for the honor. Roger C.

Wishbone, You can send me a personal message. If you do not You must be a TROLL then. I doubt if anyone will give your post any credence. Roger...

Wishbone, Will you please post your real name or your ATA number if you have one. I would like to know you shooting record. You come on here like...

Two Dogs, I assume that you either own or manage a gun club. What have you done to try and improve you attendance? Easy targets may attract a...

Leonidas, They did not have the rubber band back then. This is another poor decision made by our equipment manufactures. The origonal rubber...

Neil, I just went back and read most of you posts on this thread. If you were part of the ATA team that changed our target setting criteria,...

DR. Common sense should tell you the only way to make the game more equal is to increase the yardage. Changing shell speed or reducing the shot...

Stu, You have always been one of the nice guys in this sport. Our prayers are with you. Roger & Barb Coveleskie

What happened to the 8 other traps that did not make it to Sparta? The trap committee should know where they went? Roger Coveleskie

Leonidas, That will not work. If a height pole is not used, the targets will be different on every trap. The radar gun, and the protractor...

There are many clubs that do not have a bench mark for the 8 to 10 foot pole for setting height. Tucson T$S is one of them. I think the ATA should...

Rosey, It very simple the club was paid for targets that were never thrown. 100% profit. Makes for a good bottom line. Roger

Olie, If there is a will there is a way. All cheaters leave a trail of some kind.

Why would a top shooter want to think about where the target is going to go instead of breaking it. I think some of the non shooters from the other...

All the ATA has to do is inventory the amount of targets the clubs purchased and compare the total to the amount they sold. WALLA/ The IRS does...