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The 'other-site' reminds me of some 'Trade-Shows' ... charge people to park, charge everyone to enter, charge the vendors to 'set-up', charge anyone...

If .... the complaint alleges .... "no score-sheets" .... how does this fit ????? "The Executive Committee may at any time at its discretion suspend...

Not so much as where a near miss could happen ... but the effect of a faster moving object on what it hits. Does a 'mass' do more damage with...

It is not that they don't have enough rules .... They just make things worse by taking an action that has no backing. If your going to make things...

Funny thing is .... no matter how many times I read pages "10 and 11", I can not find the PENALTY for the club not keeping the 'score-sheets for at...

"Jo2, you're so correct about having to accurately point each and every target regardless of shell velocity." Speed kills .... does a couple of...

So .... the 'rule-book experts' need to back this action up with the 'proper rule' that may apply. Because ... if the ATA can remove targets from a...

"The ATA did not record the scores of targets without scoresheets therefore they decided it was prudent to return those fees." How can they remove...

If the ONLY violation was no score-sheets ... why would ANYONE let their targets be taken away ???? That is a club violation, not a shooter...

"Those who feel today's incredibly easy targets are a huge problem should take advantage of it. Just attend as many big ATA shoots as possible and...

"I have seen the same person who initially set the targets reset a trap when he walks up on it, never could figure that one out ..." Why do you...

It's half-way from the 2014 Grand to the 2015 Grand .... It is decision-making time for some that travel far, and are not retired. If those in...

Forget Trapshooting ... Why lock the door on your house when you leave. Or ... the doors on your car/truck ... why bother if a thief is going to...

"You can't fix this." ..... maybe .... We could spend days creating 'scenarios' that may not be stoppable .... or we could get real and say cheating...

If you want an opinion ..... this would be mine ..... First .... If something close to this would happen again ..... hold off on the 'official...

I don't think someone could "intentionally miss" a bunch of targets without having a bad effect on your game. Shooting the targets and reporting a...

I like the dot com twist ... Parking-lot and camper bets have been around for a long time .... adding a dot com public view to it is interesting, if...

"What they can prove is that the club doesn't have the score sheets as they are required to." ....... Club ... not me. "At the end of the day all we...

"did the guy really get caught cheating? I'd say no" ..... really ????? I shot registered targets Sunday ... I looked at the score sheets ......

If hurting my feelings was your goal ..... you failed. "won't respond like an ass" .... well, if that is based on my opinion .... you win.

"User the loser" .... "doggy boy" .... "Bring your little tag along with you also" ..... "now you can lick your rear" ..... are you a little...

OK ... the NFL .... when were the false scores submitted by two different entities for the sake of better positioning one team ????? Remember we are...

"I was just saying that there are other sports that have the same problems." ..... really ????? Please tell the uninformed like myself which sports...

If you think "one win wonders" are even in the same ball-park as a group effort of clubs and shooters, to position one of their own for a possible...

"I don't think anyone will be stripped of a title." The real shame of that, in my opinion is ...... when people look at a collage of past winners,...

When all who participated in this thread get tired .... ask this .... who on the thread has been DQ'ed for 'shells' ??? And why this person has such...

Heck .... that person probably died 10 years ago. The level of cheating that has been tolerated in ATA shooting is now coming to a head. It took the...

"On the other hand, is this what it's only about?" ...... no This was not a small infraction like shooting questionable shells, or calling a target,...

I am bored enough to have a useless exchange with someone on a grade-school level ..... But, I will respect those who spent the time and money to...

"You made the accusations" ???? ..... do tell. What did I accuse someone of ???? Being overpaid to do nothing ????? That my friend is an opinion.

"given up" .... would apply to one who has tried. If you let it happen, you own it. Feel free to make me look a fool, by pointing out the great...

"justice for Mr. Bickle" .... should happen. And all the other effects of cheating on this level should be addressed. There are other people who may...

If the barrel was over 21 inches, one could assume that a choke would only slow it down.

No one pissed in my Cheerios, thank you for asking ..... did I piss in yours ??????

Holy Cow !!! ..... "1 cup sugar" ...... your trying to kill half of the Trapshooters out there :cool:

There are many threads on several sites to voice an opinion on "talkers and doers" ...... So on this thread let me say again ...... if you do it,...

The "funny" thing is when the humor is reversed, some get their panties bunched up and run back to the mental midgets.

"User 1, what I really don't like about sites like this is when, under the veil of anonymity, people make preposterous claims, and when asked for...

Jo2 ... just an FYI .... I do not make "a groundless claim" about anything. Again if you fail in language skills .... "I Know" this person. Not...

Try this a little more blunt .... if you crank up the current trap-machines, the targets needs to be tough-enough to take it. When the target will...

Good news .... there has been a sighting .... He is reported as being seen at the World Shooting Complex in Sparta ... something about his approval...

That's a shame .... maybe Tron got his stock done before the Doctor found out .... Tron knows that 1200 FPS is the limit ... I'm surprised he...

Didn't he go stay at Tron's house for a couple of days ..... get some stock work done and play some 'old-school' video game ..... And this may still...

Neil .... again, with all due respect ..... the problem with your chart is .... You Can Not Have ... the current higher averages from any yardage...

You know what I REALLY like about this site ............. When the 'conversation' turns uncomfortable to the guardians of the gates .... they get...

Jo2 ... have you shot any Challenger handicap shells ??? I have, and they were not purchased from a retail store. They had a 'thump' without the 3-k...

"the distance at which a statistically hampered pattern occurs , based on equipment, should be determined." .... by who ???? It can not be done in...

If you stood on the roof of the house, directly above the arm .... you would then have a 14 or 16 yard density pattern if you shot it at that...

"At what distance will the holes in the pattern present a measurable obstacle to a shooters skill?" If you pattern a shogun at 30 yards, and you see...

Well , Jo2 to answer this ..... "is it fair to handicap someone to the point that their equipment is not up to the task at hand" ....... I will...