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It is great 'someone from the inside' decided to jump into the fray .... But ... I find it interesting to be part of a group, and want to 'judged'...

The thing about cyber-chat is what many warn about ... If we have a 'face-to-face' conversation it has a different 'tone' to it. Reading words or...

Interesting view .... "The possibility of a suspension in the operation of the shooting complex has raised a great deal of controversy and rumor in...

It is always interesting how people use what they are told .... One (1) year shows a possible decline, that MAY be caused by a rule change from...

If the Sparta area/Illinois gets 22 million dollars added to their economy/local economy each year by virtue of ATA shooters ..... A total of 3200...

"The American Trapshooting Association estimates that the complex brings over $22 million annually to the region" ... Good thing they can trust the...

"Change" is going to be slow and painful for all involved ... there is common ground for those who love the Sport of Trapshooting. Those who have...

"Do you have an actionable plan?" ..... That is a tough one .... Let me first say I have never lived in Kentucky, but have a story to tell about...

"a whole new organization is required" .... No .... that would be silly, at best .... How about just removing some 'dead-weight' that is firmly...

The Silver Dollar has 2 Grands and a State Shoot .... other places could do whatever they desired .... BUT .... What keeps getting LOST is the fixes...

The "BOD" makes their 'best guess' at what is "best for the Corporation" ... OK The membership votes by way of membership and attendance ... OK The...

If .... "promoting the best interests of the Corporation" is to infer that 'members' are viewed as 'customers' used to keep the "Corporation" 'alive'...

Isn't the Club in Gettysburg Ohio the one that the Club-House is half underground ???? If that's it ... WOW ... great shoot, but take some BIG...

Location is one of the most important things for anything to succeed .... But .... The "Grand" has other baggage that may be equal to, if not greater...

Sure .... they can have my 20 bucks for me being able to shoot at some targets at the shoots I like.

Let's see .... the records show the number of people breaking 100's in handicap events at State Shoots seems to be few .... and the number of "Grand...

"about their maximum range (defined as having a very, very high, but not 100%, probability of breaking a target which is perfectly pointed)" OK .......

That building may have cost over 2 million to build .... but, the 'actual cash value' in that location can not be anything close to that. I can't...

One has to find humor in the fact that ... a 20-yard schmuck breaks ONE 'good score' and gets yardage, they are told it is an 'honor' ... good...

Read 28 .... "cease immediately and without penalty or liability for damages" ....

Let me guess .... the "three States (not to be named) " .... were NOT Ohio, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania ....

Thanks for the invite iowa guy ... I probably won't be able to make either shoot, but who knows things change every day. I would like to chat and...

iowa guy .... I will try to give my "opinion" about the "insurance business" to you sometime in person. We can have a beverage and exchange opinions,...

It is just one more example of a poorly written "lease". "for events" should say, for 'select' events, or for 'all' events, or whatever they are...

This thread shows a bigger problem .... In the past .... banks like these would fill with target only, new shooters, and 'family' that traveled with...

I can ONLY speak for me .... but .... " (almost $116,000)" would not 'buy me' to the point of appearing that 'I' was NOT acting in the best interest...

To say what happened BEFORE you is not 'your fault' can be true .... To say you have no 'blame' in NOT being able to stop the decline may not be...

10.2 'covers' more than "environmental impact" .... I have respect for people "in the insurance business" .... but, someone at the 'Agent' level,...

It is not all about what "9 feet" actually is, it is about what it represents. You can NOT 'pick-on' the chosen one's ... They 'paid-their-dues' to...

My opinion ... and it is just my opinion, from living life fast and hard ..... You should NEVER leave anything 'open' on a lease/contract. If...

When it comes to "Insurance" I have paid well for my 'education'. Having owned/ran several 'brick-and-mortar businesses', by owning and...

I read the "lease" and understand the terms for 'when' it is in force. I also know that even for 'just the Grand' the 'utilities' would take a big...

The "lease agreement" 5.5 (i) says ... "Any other agreement not withstanding, the TROLLEYS donated to DNR by the ATA shall cease to be used for...

Read 5.5 .... WOW "DNR Obligations" .... (a) .... "DNR shall provide or cause to be provided all maintenance services for the Facility and shall...

Being 'open' for random business in a low traffic area, and a lease/contract are far apart in the business world.

"The people and government of Illinois have been very good to us at a time when we really needed the help." I think the people in Illinois/Sparta...

In the first picture the guy standing in line with the red,white, and blue hat is a past Ohio State Shoot Handicap winner.

If .... there are 3000 shooters that shoot 10 events at the Grand on average .... times the 3 bucks per-event, per-shooter, that is $90,000.00 .......

I have never seen a Carl Smith trigger in a release, he may have made them. I have looked at them in person but never shot one because I shoot a...

"the quickest lock-time" ... would be one with a speed-lock hammer. The fastest 'let-off' is one of the old-style Spears release triggers with a...

Who in their right mind wouldn't be "hoping for Sparta to remain the home forever" ... if ... they were making "a $116,000 salary", and their...

Thank You for wishing me a great day and I will wish the same to you. Because ... "we are a long ways apart in our thinking" ... does not have to...

Actually the thread started about turning the Hall of Fame into a Hall of Shame ... not really "talking about the home grounds move to Sparta". And...

"Most of the money we have is due to the investments made by Jim B." ..... Who is "we" ????? Call it beating a dead horse ... but, I haven't felt...

At some point "Trapshooting" is going to have to get back to a friendly and welcoming sport. Like present day politics it has been a divide and pick...

The problem with the ... " Sparta Only" forum ... is most of them NEVER went to Sparta, and never would. Most only supported the WSC/Sparta and the...

Would you want to be the "board member" to speak first ????? It would be something like this ... well ... after the Grand this year the ATA will be...

Maybe they could hold an auction to shoot the last target at Sparta .... like they did at Vandalia. The money may be needed to fund the next...

The ATA and TS.com fell to the same fate .... a few narrow-minded self-serving people, including the new owners of TS.com, drove people away for...

I don't think there were any unfilled positions or empty squads at the 1999 Grand. If my memory is correct they were 'full', 5000 shooters, early in...