We Need Leadership to Dump the ATA - We need a leader!

We need someone to step up and create a new organization. Paging anyone.

 

Take the first step, Jim- I’ll send you the first membership check.

 

JIM, It makes more sense to take over the existing one. there is millions in the useless one. that we better keep an eye on. Roger c.

 

That dawg won't hunt. We need someone with money and someone with a vision. It might take a few guys. I have been hearing a few people that fit making some noise.

 

Coach, with a money man, it should not be to hard to swing 30 delegates. they can control the EC.
Roger C.

 

Why don’t YOU step up and start to organize it?
Not going to do it because you think there doesn’t need to be a change?
Now I know you always say,” Show me where I said that” so I’m just curious, do YOU agree with Jim?

 

Starting a new entity to replace the ata would be a monumental task unfortunately no matter how many of us would just love for that to happen. It makes more sense to try and change the ata and dump the president, worthless board members and all the delegates that have allowed the ata to become only a memory of what was once a great organization. If a new organization for trap were to be formed it would have to have some big names attached to it like Berlet, Dysinger and any other big name shooter. I think a great choice to run any new trap organization would be Don Cogan (DuckDog) as he could charm a donut out of the hands of Berlet, and we all know that is no easy task.

 

Do you remember any time where I said “show me where I said that” where someone did? Didn’t think so.

I didn’t start a post saying someone should do it, the OP did. I merely stated the OP should do it, if he really thought it was necessary or needed. I’ll support it and we’ll see where it goes.

 

This is pretty fun- why would I have to answer to you for anything?

 

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

And to the member that made the bet with me when I told you he didn’t have the balls to answer yes or no, you don’t have to send me the money. It was too easy and was a lock.
I was 100% sure he wouldn’t do it.

He was correct about one thing though. It WAS fun knowing I had a sure thing when I told you he wouldn’t do it. I wish every time I played a slot I was that sure.

 

Oh boy- if you think answering that question is the way you tell if someone has balls or not, or answering any question online and anonymously, for that matter- you must fit in well with the other blue haired ladies at the casino.

 

Yeah, I knew he wouldn’t answer the question.

And those Blue haired ladies, by the way that sounds kinda like a swipe at older people. They’ve don’t play the amounts I do so I wouldn’t fit it with them. And using the word “other” would imply I was an older female. Dumb comparison, try another.

How about this? I’m like the other THOUSANDS of people that stopped paying the ata one cent.

I’m like the THOUSANDS of ex shooters that won’t go to the White elephant in ILLnews.

I’m like the THOUSANDS of people that thinks the ata SUCKS. And that’s why we left.

Waiting for the”show me where I said anything against older people” BS response. C’mon you know you want to say it.

How about this? If Merlo put up a poll and you actually had the nerve to post your vote, probably wouldn’t, but IF you did grow a pair, how would you answer?
Does the ata need replaced?

 

Oh I don’t know- from what you said, I feel like other was the appropriate word to use, glad you noticed that. I don’t care how much you bet at the casinos, if you fit in with a group, you fit in. If you are really betting that much money and your other post is about your bigger wins, are you sure that you’re breaking even? As for the fitting in again- it’s kind of like at a gun club, whether it’s throwing registered targets, unregistered targets, pigeons, you name it- you can be the guy with an 870/1100 or with a Perazzi/Krieghoff, you’ll fit in as long as you aren’t…a jerk, we’ll say. Birds of a feather type situation, you could say.


I agree, there are many people that used to shoot, that don’t anymore. That’s a shame- the ATA is not perfect (no organization is) but it is what we have now for registered targets. If someone wants to start a new organization that’s going to be better, I’ll join- like I said in my initial post that really seemed to get under your skin.

 

Skipped right over the poll question and went straight to that, “It’s not perfect but it’s what we have” BS answer. And that’s what the ata has become, BS.

You should have just said, “I don’t think there should be a new organization, I like it just the way it is” in your first post.

It was NEVER perfect. But it was a 1000% better than it is now. Now it just SUCKS. And you fit in with all the excuse makers that think it doesn’t.

I’m sure I’m not just breaking even. And even if I was, it would still be better than giving the ata one cent.

Newsflash, there are THOUSANDS of people still shooting. They just don’t pay the ata dues and fees.
WHY? Because the idiots wouldn’t listen to the members.

 

Jumping to conclusions there, aren’t you? About the current members that are still shooting, anyway- you can have whatever opinions you want, but you’re painting with a pretty broad brush for others. Is it as good as it used to be? No. Can it be improved? Absolutely. Would another organization giving the ATA competition be good? I think so, competition is usually always good for the consumer.


So it seems like we may have found some common ground there. I enjoy shooting, so I still do that. If you don’t, that’s fine. I said I would join a new organization if Jim started one in my first response here. You said why don’t I start one- in your first reply here, since you felt free to do that- how about I ask you to do something that you feel would make the ATA better, instead of just complaining about how it’s ruined.

 

I NEVER jump to conclusions. Someone would have to be a complete moron to not see the drastic decline in the number of register shooters since the "we know better than you crowd" moved the biggest shoot of the year.

Poll question, should we move to IL.? Answer, NO. Result, move to IL. Did you get one of the questionnaires? Were you even shooting back then?

I didn't leave the ata. The ata left me.

For years I shot thousands of targets every year, the average year was 4000 singles, 3000 caps and 2500 doubles, We traveled to all the local clubs on weekends, the zone shoot, the PA , OH, WV, VA, State shoots, anywhere that threw registered targets so I had enough targets to shoot the GRAND in VANDALIA. I spent every cent I could on shooting or components to shoot registered targets. I took a loan from the credit union every year to pay for the week at Vandalia. Hell, I wrote a few checks for smaller local shoots knowing I didn't have the money to cover it unless I won. I never bounced a check.

I was on the BOD of our club 6 times and helped run all the registered shoots we had. And we had 8-9 a year. Those shoots and the others at 10 or more clubs in SWPA are what got us enough targets. NOW? it's tough to find 3 clubs that still throw registered targets. WHY? because hardly any people need them. WHY? Because they DON'T GO TO THAT PLACE IN ILLnews.

When the idiots moved the grand, against the members wishes, I quit paying them their dues and fees. So I DON'T CARE WHAT THOSE MORONS DO. I hope to God they stay at that White elephant in ILLnews and see the same low numbers every year forever. Go join in. You can all talk about how great the ata is.

THOUSANDS of us remember how great it WAS. What are the numbers for the GAH event since the bozos moved the grand? Dismal is a good word. PATHETIC is better. They screwed the pooch and won't admit it.

My initial post to you was as a moderator reading what was a sarcastic post by you. There was no need for you to tell Jim he should start a different organization.
Just post, no, I don't think there should be an organization to replace the ata. Anything other than that and you sound like one of those, the ata is great, idiots on another site. If the shoe fits.....

 

I remember!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

10 point, why don't you just answer the f555555g question? are to to afraid to stand up for your ideals?
ROGER C.

 

I wasn’t talking about jumping to conclusions about the ATA and what they did with Sparta. I was talking about you thinking everyone that shoots ATA as being excuse makers or whatever you want to call them. Some of us just like to shoot, accepted the change and even if it wasn’t what we wanted, kept playing the game that we enjoy.


Sarcastic? I was serious as a heart attack when I said that I would join an organization if Jim started it. Why would he call for someone else to do it if he thought it was needed?

 

Roger- nope, again, I don’t think posting anything online and anonymously is standing up for much of anything. For everyone that thinks the ATA is so bad and messed up- posting complaints about it here isn’t going to fix anything. Doesn’t sound like anyone that is complaining wants it to be fixed, they’re just here to voice their opinion.

 

10POINT, JUST KEEP HIDING. YOU WERE BUILT FOR IT. ROGER C.

 

TOM MACKAMER, WHEN MANAGEMENT AND MEMBERS WERE ON THE SAME PAGE, IT WAS A WELL RUN ORGANIZATION. WHEN THE EC ECIDED TO RUN IT LIKE A PIGGY BANK FOR THEIR USES, IT LOST THE ABILITY TO SERVE THE MEMBERS. WHEN WE AS MEMBERS STARTED TO ELECT DO NOTHING DELEGATES IT SANK FURTHER IN TO THE MESS WE NOW HAVE, ROGER C.

 

Some of you like to shoot and kept playing the game. And more of us, a lot more,who shot thousands of shells a year, QUIT paying the ata dues and fees.
Roger Smith called them the Golden years for a reason. Now it’s more like the shit years

 

Yep, attendance is definitely down, I’m with you on that. I’d rather listen to what can be done to fix that instead of the whining about what already happened and can’t be changed, though.

 

Then don't listen to, read, or post on anything you think is whining.

"Attendance is down" ?

Yeah, and the Titanic had a little leak.

 

Well, initially this thread was geared towards making trapshooting better, there wasn’t any whining…until you posted.

 

I don’t whine about the ata because, as I posted in case you can’t comprehend, I don’t care what that bunch of dumbass leaders do. I just pointed out what thousands of other people that quit figured out.
The leadership screwed up. They destroyed what was once the greatest shoot of the year.

Now, since that is a FACT, how would YOU “make trapshooting better”?
And don’t give me that “it’s not perfect” crap again. Tell us what YOU would do.

Unless of course you think there doesn’t need to be any changes. Don’t do your usual sidestepping, and try to deflect, just give us all your list of the steps the ata needs to take to “make trapshooting better”

I have another bet with that member so if you want him to win and cost me some money GROW A PAIR
and tell us.

 

You don’t whine because you don’t care what a bunch of dumbass leaders do? Whether you care or not, what you are doing is whining. Speaking about facts- the numbers you gave on the average amount of targets you shot…were you saying those were the average number of registered targets you shot in each discipline? Just making sure we both have our facts straight, you talked about going to a lot of registered shoots, but I’ll admit you didn’t say the 4,000 singles, 3,000 handicap, and 2,500 doubles (on average, per year) were registered or not.


You make a lot of bets, don’t you? They have programs for that…


Again, answering anything or anyone online doesn’t make someone tough or to “grow balls.” I should be your favorite forum member, since evidently I’m making you some money- am I?

 

Here is my current opinion ... FWIW

I recently shot the handicap all 4 days of Middletown's Fall Shoot ... and ...

The first day I spoke with the new Club Manager, and, nice guy who put on a good shoot.

So, after the 4 days of shooting, unlike cyber-gripe, I will say a few things about "making Trapshooting great again" ...

First ... The idea you can boycott the way better days is not going to happen ... because ... many of the current shooters did not shoot during the Golden Years, so they don't know and don't care, they are there for a good time ...

Many of the old faces I shot with are now gone ... buy many new faces I met, and shot with, are good people also ...

I don't have to like everything ATA to participate with many new people, who are as great as those I remember fondly ...

Again ... there are many things in life I don't like ... but ... letting them prevent my having a good time is silly on my part ...

So ... cyber-gripe and boycotts has had zero results ... at least talking, in person, to the Club Managers and ATA Officials may be a better way ...

 

Great mindset!

 

Yeah, they were registered targets. And even after shooting that much, when the brain BUST running the ata moved the grand I quit. Along with the thousands of other people.
I did keep the Silverware trophy from the Grand in Vandalia. Just to remind me how well I shot and how great those days were.

As long as you keep posting the crap you do I’ll keep betting I know what you will or won’t do, and keep winning the bets.

I had your number from the first post about the pay to play PA state shoot.

 

Well good for you.

Looks like you changed your mind since you posted this.

It became "our business", when the 'ATA' f**ked up a great money sport by bending over backwards to kiss the ass of these people with new special rules .....

It is pointless to list all the special treatment rules to kiss their ass, as they have been beat to death .....

Tell everyone 'your opinion' of what people in "1963" would think of the 2 Mulligan per 25 rule ..... And ..... the many other dumb-ass things the ATA came up with for these 'do no harm people' .....

I also like this one when you were discussing that place in ILLnews.

The idiots of the ATA are having a good time riding the poor old cash cow until it dies ..... but ..... what is in it for the State of Illinois ???????

 

I REALLY like this one. Guess who posted this gem.

What gets me, is how hard the mental midgets try to suppress Trapshooting history .....

Trapshooting was a money sport, period ..... And enough of a challenge to keep the paycheck worthwhile .....

Take two 'new' shooters that break their first top score ..... Give one 'points', and give the other one 500 bucks ..... See which one is most likely to stick around in hopes of breaking more top scores .....

The first year I went to the Missouri Fall Handicap ... 25's were paying in the hundreds, and 50's were paying over a thousand, and a 'win' was enough to cover the trip, eat well while there, and have some change left over ..... No doubt it took your 'A-game', luck, and every thing else, but that made it fun .....

But I GUESS someone could pay ata dues and fees just to make new friends.

 

ATA' f**ked

The idiots of the ATA

Trapshooting was a money sport, period

BETTER mindset.

 

Off your meds again ?????????????

Your reading has not improved .....

Here is my current opinion ... FWIW .... is the first line of my post ....

Joe doesn't want me to make a mental midget like you look dumber than you have already accomplished ... so, if he will allow it ... have at it ... you started it, but you don't even have the "balls" to not censer or delete ...

 

I never delete anything I post. But I do remember what I have posted.

"Joe doesn't want me to make a mental midget like you look dumber than you have already accomplished"

That would imply that the administrator/owner thinks I'm dumb. With 5,348 posts on my part I would say you are sadly mistaken.

Still jerked about another moderator giving you a first warning aren't you? It's one day shy of 2 YEARS ago. Get over it.

And I don't delete anything unless the guy is a scammer. Or someone posts info they are not allowed to post. And I sure don't delete anything that someone posts so I can re-post it later.

 

BTW, my eyesight was a little blurry until I had cataract surgery a few years ago, and I do use reading glasses, so thanks but you don't have to enlarge the font, I can see it just fine. Why is that people think if the use the large font it looks more intimidating?

 

Do you remember deleting this post ?????????????????

" Why did I bother to join ......

Because when I joined you didn't have to worry about deletes and edits from keyboard cowards ......

You didn't need to agree or approve, the facts spoke for themselves ......

It wasn't supposed to have lord and masters like 'the old place' .....

You are one of two who decided to return to the ways which was so hated from the self-appointed mental midgets in 'the old place' ......

Your turn ........"

 

How about this part of a PM that was sent to me and CC to joe ......

"It is sad to see that forum members posts are deleted if they have any opposing views to that of Tom's view."

And you of all people want to post this ....

I have told you several times that I have the "pair" ..... but, you seem to be lacking in what you seek in others .....

 

Newsflash, I didn’t delete anything you posted.

 

I guess you don't remember telling me that you would delete my post in the morning when you got up ..... and ..... it happened ....

As you say, "grow a pair", and own it ....

Not much anyone can do about it .... other than provide a copy of the posts .... so why post a fake newsflash ??????

 

Again, I’ll type it slower for you.
I didn’t delete any of your posts. I know I said that, and I had every intention of doing it, but it was deleted before I could.
You do realize that I’m not the only moderator right?
Maybe another mod thought your post needed to be deleted. Maybe one of the administrators deleted it.
Maybe the mod that gave you that warning about one of your posts beat me to it on that one.

Send a PM to Just Joe and tell him your feelings got hurt.

 

Get some sleep .... Maybe tomorrow will be better for you .... or .... maybe not .... you seem to have no comprehension of your own posts ....

Sad .... good night ...

 

Sorry, my last post looks like I just quoted your message, but down at the bottom I asked if you shot more than 100 targets between 2000 and 2005? My mistake on the previous post, maybe why you missed it.

 

HELL NO!!!!

I would rather put my money in a slot machine than give the Aholes running the ata any dues or fees.
Or as a different member posted, “the idiots”

BTW, did you see all those payouts? Great aren’t they?
Over $40,000.00 in hand pays this year and there’s still 2 months left.
Let me know when you win that much shooting registered targets.

 

nothing wrong with that ..... your money ..... your choice .....

The problem seems to come when you forget this was/is a Trapshooting site ....

It has been over 20 years ago that the ATA took a hard left turn .... so, to say what you like to say ..... get over it ....

People still want to smoke clay targets and have accepted what they can't change .... and many more were not around to know the difference, so all your bitterness does nothing but drive people away from this site ...

Heck, start your own slot machine site, where you and others can tell how you got rich with pocket change .....

 

Do you hear me say the ata has to change anything?
I hope they never change a thing and you get to go to that White elephant in ILLnews forever.
I find it hilarious to see the pathetic numbers EVERY YEAR that shoot the GAH.

Like you said, idiots. I don’t pay idiots.

 

Was that hell no to you shooting more than 100 targets between 2000 and 2005? We didn’t even know the Grand was moving to Sparta in 2000, just that it had to move, the ATA didn’t have anything to do with having to move- their lease wasn’t being renewed. I agree that it was disheartening to know that Vandalia would be no more, but like you said about all the state shoots and Zone shoots were still available, not to mention the local shoots.

I’m happy you’re making money at the casinos- that’s great. I work to make my money, I don’t need my hobbies to supplement my income. I agree the payouts were better before at trap shoots, and that was better for the sport as evidenced by the Back Fence shootout events at the Cardinal Center and Nevada- I wouldn’t mind seeing some ATA events with compulsory purses to see how that would go.

 

I always like the “ I work for my money” or that good old “I work too hard to gamble” CRAP
I retired in 2018. I don’t need to supplement anything. Do you know what the word “comped” means?

We haven’t paid for a room, food, or drinks in 40 years at casinos in Vegas, AC, or the Bahamas. 12 years in a row to the Atlantis before the crapdemic. The Cove at the Atlantis was $1300.00 per night. 5 nights, $150 per day in food, and $200 per day in “free play”. IF we lost $2000.00 we were still way ahead. And that’s IF. The last trip in 2019 I cleared $6000. And that’s not counting the 6 local places we visit.
You keep paying the dues and fees. I pass.

 

Again ..... good for you .... your money and your time ....

But .... If you have zero interest in Trapshooting, why hang around a Trapshooting site and run people off ???????

Go be happy .... you sure don't seem happy here .....

There are plenty of new faces to make Trapshooting what they want it to be ...... The old unhappy people get fewer by the day .....

I have no doubt if someone went to a gambling site and talked about how great Trapshooting is ..... it would have the same result as bragging about gambling on a Trapshooting site ....

Nothing left of the dead horse .... and fewer people who care ..... So, let the next generation of Trapshooters take over, and if ask, give input .... if not, enjoy whatever time you have left that God gives you ... doing whatever makes you happy ......

 

I didn’t want the moderator job. I said no thanks when I was asked. Joe said, “ You’re a mod” and that was the end of it.
Funny how you’re the only one whining about my gambling posts. I went thru all of yours and didn’t find one that contributed to the site, or Trapshooting in general.

I did like this one when you were defending that garage gunsmith tron when he tried to troll the site early on. It sounded very truthful.

"He is just a smart ass like lots of us" ....

I fit that, except some call me 'dumb-ass', or some call me just an ass.

That pretty much covers it.

BTW, It's not bragging if you have the goods.

As a moderator I have to ask. Are you and 10 point the same person? Or are you his mouthpiece. I type something to him and you answer.

 

I may be the only one that will post about it .....

That answer is no ..... in fact, I have no idea who it is ......

FWIW .... Joe would do well to rethink allowing attacks by you and petty change gambling posts in the Trapshooting section .....

 

The problem people have with you as moderator is, you make personal attacks, delete and edit stuff, make threats, and more ....

If Joe wants to let you act the way you do .... it is at his, and this site's peril .....

This site should be much larger than it is ......... If you are allowed by Joe to continue what you do ...... then there will be even less posting than the current levels of once every couple of days .....

 

I told you before, PM Joe and tell him you are butt hurt. Do you feel "attacked"? Tell him I'm going to ruin the site, and we will only be here for another 30 DAYS.

You do understand that this site was started because people were banned and put down on another site for saying anything against the almighty ata right?
It was started so people could voice their displeasure, and tell everyone that wanted to listen why they left the ata and thought the big shots running it were, as YOU said idiots.

If you don't want to read anything like that, DON'T READ IT. Did you think this site was started to be a companion site to that old worn out place? With all the self righteous Aholes sticking up for the, as you called them idiots. Did you really think this site was going to be PRO ata? Really?

Pro moving the grand away from it's biggest base?
Pro losing THOUSANDS of members?
Pro losing THOUSANDS of shooter for the GAH?
Pro building a 2 MILLION dollar horse barn?
Pro gipson getting himself a little kick back for finding a building for the office? PULL 2012
Pro losing the SCTP kids? Yeah, the ILLnews gov. did that, but what did the great ata do to get them back? NADA, they offered free targets and the kids still said no.
Pro changing target angles and speed so people could feel good about breaking 95's in singles?
PRO not doing anything to get some added money for the '"grand"?
Pro making more categories so people don't quit?
Pro, All American team BS.? Go research how many "All Americans" there are now.

Yeah, if you don't like reading the TRUTH about how the ata screwed the pooch, don't read the posts.

 

Yeah right. You wish you had the "petty change". That's funny right there. Ask your ata shooting buddies if they think 40K is "petty change"
Tell me when you had over a 10K payout from shooting ata targets.

 

Interesting post- you don’t need to supplement your income but you seem very motivated by hobbies that bring money back to you, or get free (IE- comped) amenities. So, let me ask you this- when the ATA was in its heyday- were you making money shooting? I don’t mean did you ever come away from one shoot making more money than you spent, but consistently like you do now with the casinos? If you did, you should have shot more- you must have enjoyed the hobby and were achieving your goal of making additional money from your hobby. If you didn’t, what changed for you other than the Grand went further away? That shouldn’t have been too drastic for you, either- since you shot 100 targets (total, in all ATA shoots)- the last 5 years the Grand was still in Vandalia.

 

I do .....

Do you even remotely understand putting people on discourage because of you is no different ?????????????????????????????????

FWIW ..... not that you would understand ...... most of my "buddies" shoot a shotgun north of your bragging money .....

You have no idea how many people that have sent me a PM about you ..... maybe you should tell them they can speak freely on the public part of the site .....

You also seem to have no idea that telling everyone you are the only penny player to ever beat the Casinos is a joke to most people ....

I have sent Joe a PM ..... and would gladly have a conversation with him ..... so call him and see if you can have that arranged .....

 

FWIW ..... not that you would understand ...... most of my "buddies" shoot a shotgun north of your bragging money

And I drive a car to the casinos. So what?

They shoot a 40 K gun, to win what? A flashlight?

You have no idea how many people that have sent me a PM about you ..... maybe you should tell them they can speak freely on the public part of the site .....

Why don't you start your own site with them? That way, none of you will get butt hurt. You can be the owner and moderator.

You also seem to have no idea that telling everyone you are the only penny player to ever beat the Casinos is a joke to most people ....


Most people YOU know.
Never been inside a casino to play slots have you? You don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about. You can bet up to $20.00 a spin on certain one cent denomination machines. And I'm not the ONLY player to make money playing slots. Never said I was. Do a little research and watch the people on YouTube that quit their jobs to play slots. This isn't the 1950's when the slots were for the wives to play while the husbands played table games.

It never ceases to amaze me, and make me laugh, at the people that think they know anything about casinos but wouldn't know a slot machine from a toaster.
In fact, trying to explain it to some people is like talking to a toaster.

 

You need to look in a mirror and see if the reflection is a two slice or four ..... because my toaster is at least smart enough not to make a fool of itself .....

I know enough about how slot machines are set for payouts, to know you are full of bull, or should play the power-ball every week ...... That kind of luck should yield much more than 40k .......

We haven’t paid for a room, food, or drinks in 40 years at casinos in Vegas, AC, or the Bahamas. 12 years in a row to the Atlantis before the crapdemic.

You must own one hell of a car .....

Give it up ..... no one is impressed ..... FWIW I smoke more money in cigars than your supposed penny net winnings ....

Do yourself a big favor and stop ...... you look more foolish with each post ............................

 

Well you’re smoking something that’s for sure.

I post pictures of my actual slot hits, that first one was just shy of $12,000.00, just in case you couldn’t figure it out, and the total for this year so far is right around 40K.

And for some dumbass reason you tell me your “buddies” have cars worth more.
OK, what has that have to do with how much I’ve won? They drive to shoots, I drive, or fly, to casinos.

Now Mr. “ I’m the smartest guy in the room, just ask me” how about WE make a little bet?
Since you don’t know Jack about today’s slots and it’s a lock on my part, I’ll bet you that before fauci shut down everything we, my wife and I, had $53,000 in hand pays one year and $48,000.00 the next.

Take the bet, make it public on here, and I’ll PM you a copy of both tax returns.
Then you come on here and tell everyone you lost , was completely wrong, and should never had said anything about something you really knew nothing about.
As that old saying goes, make it easy on yourself. Since you spend so much money on those cigars what do you say to a $500.00 bet?

Maybe I’m off my meds and don’t care about showing everyone on here those tax returns.
BTW, we didn’t have to pay a cent in taxes on any of that money. Since you know everything about casinos how do you think that was possible?

And one of us is going to look foolish when I cash your check.

 

Damn, I almost forgot until I went back and saw what you said about playing the lotto.
I don’t know the odds of hitting ANOTHER lottery.
In 1992 I hit the PA lottery for $60,621 and change. You want to make another bet about that?
Besides, the lotto is 100% LUCK. Playing today’s slot machines isn’t. If it was, I would’ve have won $40,000.00 so far this year.

 

Damn dude .... you aren't going to stop are you .....

I don' t think I said anything about "buddies cars" .....

But, before I go on letting you make a complete fool of yourself ..... I want to thank Joe for letting it happen .... so thanks Joe ....

Go for it .... I doubt anyone cares .... but do what makes you happy ....

As far as making a bet with you .... no thanks .... it is bad enough spending the time to let people see how far off the rails you are ....

Keep going ..... you seem to be the "butt-hurt" one on the thread ....

I made a first post about shooting Trap, something you haven't done in so long that now you have no interest in .....

Read that if you can ..... " Playing today’s slot machines isn’t. If it was, I would’ve have won $40,000.00 so far this year."

Get some sleep .... get some help .... or keep posting like a drunk 4 year old kid .......

 

Yeah, I thought so.
You know enough about slot machines payouts to know I was full of bull.
You called me a liar.
But when you had a chance to prove it?

The next time you say anything, make sure you can back it up.
You did prove one post you made.

The one where you said “some people just call you an ass”.