Its gotta be the water

Just saw the scores @ the Kentucky State shoot-WOW--@ the zone this weekend , IMHO everyone else will be just water boys for Berea

Well done Kentucky--

 

NOPE, not gonna do it. I refuse to be the one that starts it.

 

For some reason this year I have been paying more attention to the shoots and the "C" and "D" Shooters.

I sit here and don't have to wonder why the True C and D class shooters get discouraged and drop out of Registered shooting.

Not just Kentucky, but most State shoots I have looked at have the same problem. Almost always there are the 196+ singles scores in C and D classes winning the big singles events, and the doubles C and D winners come in the mid 90's more often than not. Amazes me to look and see how many were not moved up from the preliminary events after producing some great scores.

I have no idea what can be done, but I do see one of the reasons people are heading to the sporting clays side of things where high scores aren't expected to take the lower class wins.

Maybe I am seeing this wrong, just my observations.

 

You would be lucky to win c or d class with 196

 

How can they ever get out of D or C class if they don't break above their average scores. If you look at it with the number of shooters at state shoots it is bound to happen more at them. The more shooters the better the odds of good scores.

 

Patch,

I agree with you to a point, but my point is why do we see the same C and D class shooters who post these scores, not moving up?

Take a look at them on the ATA website and some, not all though, go back to the smaller local shoots, shoot lower scores, and then when they hit the big shoots, whammo, high scores once again.

And, when they post a high score in the preliminary events, I wonder why they are not moved up to the next higher class for that week ?

 

The ATA is so hung up on points for All American they could use points for class winners too. So many class points automatic higher class. The years I was TD for Ohio it became obvious to me that the current class averages are way off. Instead of a AAA to protect the semi pro camper crowd they need to go for lower average in class scores. Ohio has tons more shooters with averages under 85 than they do with averages higher than 98.

 

History Seeker,

I think it's because the rules for 16 and doubles are different than handicap. In handicap, a shooter who earns yardage is required to shoot their next handicap event at their new yardage except for the 27 yard shooter who is allowed to continue shooting from the 27 regardless of how many yards earned at the 27. I do not see a similar rule for those who shoots a winning class or event score better than their class average from 16 or doubles. I have poor eyesight, so maybe I missed it.

 

If you win your class @ a class championship-normally you are bumped up for the championship event

 

At the SC state shoot I was put in Class C, won the event on Thursday, was bumped to Class B for the rest of the shoot. I have no problem with this, actually took Class B on Saturday because the guy with a better score took SubVet. Then I go to the NC state shoot and they put me in Class D because they said my average was in Class D, I argued with them that I should be in Class C at least, did not good. I won the Class D on Friday, was bumped to Class C for the rest of the shoot.

So if I want to be in a higher class, because I am now shooting much better, but officials say no. so there is that problem too. some do want to be in the class based on recent shooting but overall average keeps them in the lower class.

Don't get me started about the kids shooting lights out in D and C and they continue to be in those same classes from shoot to shoot.

 

There's plenty of shooters posting high scores from the 27 at the grand but they never move anywhere either. I suppose this must be related to the new era in Trapshooting.

 

Sleeperhawk,

Exactly why people in classification need to be taught that YOU can request to be upped to any class you feel you are capable of..

It's your KNOWN ability, and HONESTY.

I have a buddy who recently went to a Pennsylvania BIG shoot, requested his known ability to be "A" class, and because he shot all winter and had less than stellar scores, they refused his request and put him in "D".

Sure as hell, he was embarrassed to admit it when he won "D" with something like a 196.

Like you, his honesty got him nowhere, and he was forced to take a trophy away from a possible true "D" class shooter if there is one any more who could win.

 

What is strange I can go to any shoot in SC, tell them Class C no problem, but go out of state, they go by current %, refuse to put me in a higher class. That is really frustrating.

 

Sleeperhawk,

When we lived in SC we shot weekly at Mid-Carolina. Even when my scores would be lower than the class I felt I should be in, Rodney would always allow me to Class UP to where we all knew I belonged.

Even Partridge Creek folks kneww me and my abilities, and had no problem with Classing up.

When the large shoots came along, same thing. Delegate Jim Favor had NO problem with my honesty.

I have no idea who in NC didn't understand your consideration.

You tried, and that was the honorable thing to do.

I wish there were more like you sir !

 

I belong to Mid Carolina, Rodney keeps threatening me with Class B, if not Class A LMAO

 

What is Rodneys last name? Is he from Ohio? Roger C.

 

Raines, and I never asked where he is from.

 

Rodney Raines is one of the best things to happen in South Carolina.

He works tirelessly for his club, and runs some of the best shoots going.

Inducted into the SC Trapshooting Hall of Fame this year

Very proud to be his friend !

 

If one wants to win in today's big events, you must be 15 (or thereabouts) years old shooting a K-80 and be on the 19 or 20-yard line and a D shooter. Or be a Pull-in Camper on the 27-yard line shooting AAA and teaching in your off shooting hours. Just my opinion...

 

Hi Rod, He is a BUCKEYE. Glad to see you are doing well, most of our old friends in Ohio are gone to the big trap shoot in the sky. Never slow down or look back, something may be gaining on you. Roger Coveleskie

 

Yes he does, if not for him, the place would be hurting.