Incentive Pay

The ATA is a non-profit organization. Can anyone confirm if the incentive pay for the Executive Director is based on net profit?

 

Garry, Do you really think that the ATA is operating as a legal non profit corp? Roger C.

 

Garry, ask any Delegate.

It is their duty to provide oversight of our Association and therefore should know what the Executive Director is being paid as well as details additional compensation.

After all, it was the Board of Directors who authorized and created the objectives for awarding the E. D.'s compensation. I don't recall this information ever being shared provided to the membership.

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In all honesty, I doubt any Delegate will be able to answer the question as none seem to have any interest in this area of their responsibilities.

In the hopes that we have Delegates reading this discussion I will again post an article from a January 1926 issue of Sportsmen's Review, (A.T.A.'s official magazine 93 years ago) providing some clarity as to the duties and obligations of every Delegate.

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Another article from the same publication in March 1926.

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Please Delegates, start asking questions! It's in the best interests of our Association.

 

HB, I have said it before and I will say it again "You are the man" ... Thank you, WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

HB, Was that not changed, the EC is in charge not the BOD? Roger C.

 

Below are the pertinent sections of the 2019 By-Laws relating to the powers and duties of the Board of Directors, straight from the A.T.A. webpage:

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It appears the BOD is a worthless group of do nothing. Or they have never read what their duties are. Which do you think is the problem? Roger C.

 

OK Roger, I'll give you my thoughts on the subject.

Most newly elected Delegates just don't know much about how the organization works. A new Delegate thinks the Executive Committee makes all the decisions . . . . because in actuality, they do.

Many new Delegates are deficient in knowledge and say little for the first year or so. They just don't feel comfortable challenging authority because they feel they have less experience and will come out on the losing end of the argument. They leave the decisions to the experienced Delegates and usually vote with the majority with other Zone Delegates.

New Delegates don't realize that the pecking order actually puts them at the top and that it is they who should be more involved in how the A.T.A. is run. However, since their Delegate forefathers gave the decision making to the Executive Committee between annual meetings, they accept the established protocol.

What they fail to realize is that they have the duty to stay informed, question decisions, ask for documents and challenge decisions they don't agree with. They should be ready, willing and able to answer almost any question posed to them or obtain from the A.T.A. office in a timely manner. Of course, some may fully understand their responsibility to the Association, but choose not to fulfill their obligation. We all know that some Delegates are more involved than others, more knowledgeable than others and can answer rules and by-law questions. Others seem to have trouble with these things.

Most new Delegates have not held other gun club positions or managed tournaments. They just decided to run for the position to give back to the sport. Like most shooters, they just want to shoot, but they are willing to do a little extra work for the sake of the sport.

So, I do cut some slack for new Delegates.

Those with years of experience as a State or Provincial Delegate, especially those who are Past Presidents, these Directors who fail to provide proper oversight of the A.T.A., are the ones who are responsible for all the unhealthy decisions and alleged scandals and misappropriations. Their lack of involvement leaves to Association unprotected and that's how 2012 PULL LLC was able to profit off our A.T.A.

Involved Delegates will help prevent mistakes and wrongdoing. Uninvolved Delegates make it easy for improprieties to happen and go unaddressed.

Delegates are good people. I've known many of them over the years. They usually handle their duties in their respective State or Province. However, it is my opinion, they just don't get involved enough in overseeing the work of Executive Committee. Perhaps they have other things obligations in their life and feel they are doing the best job they can. But, it is one of their major duties.

But, some of them should have questioned the purchase of the A.T.A. office property and they all still have the duty to call for an investigation and discipline anyone found in wrongdoing. Their failure to act in addressing this matter surely will cause future attempts of others to disregard the conflict of interest as well as other policies and rules.

Just my 2 cents.

HB

 

Well said Kenny, we could use about 50 delegates with your understanding of the problems in the ATA .Roger C.

 

Good summary HB. I would like to see the process for selecting state and zone delegates changed, starting with the qualifications a member must meet and then verified before they are allowed to become a candidate for the position of delegate.

 

Garry

RULE 1: Do not upset apple cart … (EC, ED and many on the BOD ) … WPT … (YAC) …

 

Rule 2: Drain the swamp.

 

Seemingly the term "Amateur" applies to the BoD as well as the membership. The ED, OTOH, is clearly a Pro!