How long is average for a response?

I "reported" a post on one of the threads for I felt was a blatant attack on a poster here 2 days ago. I've since sent an email to follow up, as to what if any actions were being taken. I've not had any response to either! I was struggling to take this site seriously, since it reminds me of Kindergarten Class when you tell the first Person a Story and by the last Person it's completely different and we again hear at Nausea how great Vandalia was and Sparta was a deal with the Devil. Now a lack of response from the Site Admin's has further weakened that! This site, I understand, was started to help Trapshooting, not tear it apart and constant ATA bashing. We work our Ass off at PSSA to help keep it moving forward and trying to not repeat the past, only to have it torn down by Nameless criticizers who shoot 200 targets a year there, or not at all! It's easy to type words, but other than a few I know for sure, have you ever stepped up and run for an Office, or at least attended a meeting there?

Jeff

 

I suggest you start by treating each and every shooter EQUALLY. No more prima donnas, special people or chosen ones. You suggest some complainers only shoot few or no targets at the PSSA but maybe their reasons are valid. Fair competition excludes the same shooters always shooting on favored banks at preferred times. One thing you might learn Jeff is not all shooters are ignorant and many simply walk never to return without complaining. If losing over 30% of our dedicated shooters in 10 years isn't a wakeup call then what is? Yes, I appreciate all the outstanding people working to make the PSSA better but it might be best not to tie the hands of our new very capable manager. If you get it right people will notice. See ya Thursday.

 

The idea of rotating the banks has been looked at for years. While I agree it has merit, implementing would be difficult. There are I believe 2 major road blocks to this at Elysburg. 1st is having a split line, and multiple starting times on some days. I don't know if you could write a program to do it, but if there was, I'm sure it would have been proposed at a State Meeting. The 2nd is the squadding lines after we draw the Banks. You'd have to delay the start of each days starting events after people drop squads in an effort to get back on the "good" banks. If you think the lines are long now, wait till you'd open that can of worms! So the current system of Pre-Squadding is what we have in order to shoot the Banks you want. I know several Shoots where it's been done and other than I believe Silver Dollar, are any Major shoots still doing it? If they're not, ask them why they no longer do it and let me know?

 

Jeff, don't over think this. It is rather simple. Eight banks on top and four on the bottom. Simply put numbers 1-8 in a box and pull one out. Example 4 is pulled so squad 4 shoots bank 1, squad 5 shoots bank 2, squad 6 shoots bank 3, squad 7 shoots bank 4, squad 8 shoots bank 5, squad 1 shoots bank 6, squad 2 shoots bank 7 & squad 3 shoots bank 8. You would also do the same think for the bottom 4 banks. I would still presquad to avoid lines and to get the times I want. After the starting banks are announced to rule is you get the next open spot no bank picking allowed. Two larger shoot that I attend do this, the SW Grand & the Southern Grand.

 

Ok so here's some food for thought? Has anyone ever considered if we'd lose shooters by rotating the banks? I ask, since we have @ 100+ shooters pre-squad and would they still do that if banks were rotated? And now lets say they no longer pre-squad, but still attend the shoots. How long would the squadding lines be adding 100+ shooters? Just thinking of the consequences and how many would be upset when the roles are reversed.

 

The primary reason the lines are so long is because shooters are often unhappy with the squad options presented. Trust me, the lines in FL. at the Southern Grand are very manageable and bank selection is not allowed. Pre-squadding will remain as an early, middle or late option. You're making this difficult.

 

Back in the day management wouldn't scramble the banks because they thought they would loose presquad money. So be it. Management needs to stop worrying about losing a few bucks. I think the exact opposite, more shooters would presquad to get the times they want and to avoid long lines. At PSSA I presquad to get the times & to avoid lines because I know I will not get the traps I want.

 

As far as scrambling the banks it does not work unless you are willing to actually enforce the "next position available is your only choice" policy. The downside is this means you might not be able to shoot with your kid, or your friends if you show up the day of the event. In practice, I have not seen this enforced strictly and shooters still could get on a better bank by squadding after the banks were announced.

Just my experience that scrambling the banks did not really solve the issue.

 

"unless you're willing to actually enforce the next position available is your only choice." Darn, that's exactly how they handle it at the SD. Yes, shooters can often get better banks by waiting for the bank assignments and then squadding. Sometimes they can also get worse ones too if "first available" isn't an improvement. Ask Phil Kiner if he likes his chances of getting banks other than 6 at the SD!

 

If you show up with your friends and kid the day of a shoot you'll very likely be able to squad together-just might not get your favorite banks. Life isn't always fair for the "special people".

 

I guess there are different ways to look at this issue dawg. I wasn't thinking so much of special people getting favorite banks, but any squads ability to avoid the least favorite bank. I've never shot at SD but maybe it works better there. I guess I've never been overly worried about getting a certain bank or two.

I'm just pointing out my observation that scrambling did not really achieve much at the shoots I saw it used. Just my opinion. Yes, I think it would help with your point of certain people always shooting on a certain bank, but most can still get something they can live with just by coming back to squadding window until another bank is available.

 

Stop the mail in PreSquad and adopt a PreSquad.com type of presquadding without no bank reservations for anyone so all can PreSquad on a first come first preference basis. No one in NY gets preference banks. They all join the line.

 

You are still not trying to make all on equal footing. Everyone gets in line the day of the shoot. Everyone gets one squad each day of the shoot.

Do you want it fair or more fair? It sounds like most of you want it a little more fair. Absolute fairness.....what is that? Hell no!

 

Can't do that in PA. That would reduce the number of paid jobs available for wives and girl friends.

 

Can't do that in PA with 1000's of shooters (some days). Of course this might create more jobs for wives and girl friends. Scrambling the banks will be fair enough.

 

I want to thank everyone at the PSSA squadding booth for the opportunity for my wife and I shooting the preferred banks this weekend. Tammy did break the 100 singles on bank 2 while yours truly missed the first target and broke the remaining 99. I gotta admit the woman also ran 99 on bank 12 Thursday so I suppose as I'm often told "cream always rises to the top". Handicap on bank 2 wasn't my high point today but I persevered late on bank 9 yesterday for a 94 from the 27. I believe great visibility on bank 9 contributed to my success. It was a special thrill to see all those fine shooters occupying banks 2 and 3 time after time including my best friend DEDPAIR. Amazingly, many of those fine shooters always squadded on bank 9 late in the day for that visibility advantage. These guys sure have a handle on the system because they appeared on the same banks and on the same squad numbers quite often. Oh well, I'll spend most of the rest of the year just figuring out how lucky I might get again. Hats off to the fine people at PSSA.

 

Glad you had the opportunity to shoot on the "Premier Banks" during the shoot Dawg! Honestly I was happy to see you down there living the good life along with 15 -20 squads each day of "Regular Folk" enjoying those Banks. As you stated above, they're not all that special, but for some reason everyone thinks so? My argument all along has been that if the Top Shooters all shot Bank 5 and 6, everyone would want to shoot there, since as your Wife proved, Top Shooters will always shoot good, no matter the place or time!! As for me, currently I go where the squad asks, since I'm just finally getting back to some kinda form, and just there to enjoy the view!!

 

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Therein lies the solution to the biggest bit*h about the PSSA. Just move the so called "top shooters" to banks 5 & 6. Maybe they wouldn't be so good there or if they are really "top shooters" their scores will not suffer. I shot PA with H. Campbell for a few years. All I'll say is you might notice he does not shoot PSSA very much.

 

Just a comment. Back when PSSA had one curved line, Woody Brown tried your suggestion, he pulled the corner bank for Frank Little's squad for the entire state shoot. Guess what we shot it and no one else wanted it.