Can Todays Shooters Go Against Past Shooters???????

Can todays shooters win against the older shooter of the 40, 50 60's? I say NO! They had much harder targets. Faster targets, harder angles and so on. We today have slower and less angle targets. The sport should be getting harder not easier.

 

OH MAN!

This one should get a few replies. C'mon Gargole, you know that is a loaded one. Might be loaded to 1250 or more but still a loaded one.

Flyersarebest.

 

Flyersarebest, you have to admit that the targets today are nothing compared to those they had to shoot.

 

I don't have to be admitin to notin!!!

This one is all yours.

Flyersarebest

 

Some of the young guys can break them all day long.

But I won't argue with you guys living in the past.

Those old boys could really shoot.

 

Black and white or pasty yellow domed targets with hand pullers shot by 870's. Those were the days!

 

I don't know about you but it's 2015 where I'm LIVING.

and Yeah, I can still break a good score. If 98's and 99's are any good anymore. If you tell me that only 100's are good then a WHOLE LOT OF ATA SHOOTERS BETTER TAKE UP ANOTHER GAME. Unless they like just going out to shoot for the fresh air.

Flyersarebest

 

I'm not sure too many could go up against Rudy Etchen in his day, especially in an all around sense. He could murder you at trap, humiliate you in skeet, and dominate at live birds and do it all in the same week. Then, just for fun, he'd beat you at doubles shucking an 870.

But that doesn't mean young shooters like the Bartholows aren't great. Foster and Leo broke 900 straight shootoff targets. What's the point of taking anything away from an accomplishment like that? And if anybody wants to take anything away from it, doesn't it actually tell you much more about the critic than the shooters?

Let people have their day. Things are constantly changing, nothing is perfectly apples-t0-apples. Annie Oakley loaded her own shells by hand for God's sake.

-Gary

 

This is an 'if all things are equal' type of thing ....

A winner is always a winner .... the place in time or the sport of choice doesn't make as much difference as most want to think.

A winner figures it out, and has the drive to make winning happen in the competition that they have an interest to become one of the best in at that time.

A winner may have limits to current conditions that exist ... but will put themselves on top with what is available at the 'time'.

 

"Annie Oakley loaded her own shells by hand for God's sake."

The little booger probably was loading something around 1300 fps too, while the rest of them were at 1145. No wonder she was so good.

Flyersarebest

 

Brutal, man. Just brutal.

I gotta admit I laughed.

-Gary

 

I wonder how many posters on this site can break 900 straight aways from post 3 with out a miss. And I'm talking about the xxxxx targets our good Dr is complaining about.

I can only think of two who has a chance and that is still up in the air.

 

Leonidas, not only those of us posting here but nationwide included, none to a very few if they had to shoot all those targets from 5 posts!

Our game is one of precise pointing, endurance and participation to remain tuned.

HAP

 

Flyersarebest, it sounds to me that you can't shoot 3 hole targets and want those slow wimpy 2 hole targets. I would love to see you try to run a 25 on 3 hole targets and I say you couldn't. Yesterday is yesterday but those were also the days when you stepped up to the plate and learned to shoot. I for one learned off the 3 hole target and I would like to see it come back.

 

There is a difference on 2 hole vs 3 hole, but I would say the voice activated release made a larger difference.
learning to shoot 3 hole targets on singles isn't that tough. From the 27, different story. Hand pulling could make you or break you depending who your puller was. Same with doubles.

And yes, I started on 3 hole targets.

 

Is that what it sounds like to you?
What made you come to that conclusion?
What made you think I want to keep the angles and distance what they are now?
When you can't find anything I ever posted on this great site or the OLD site that would prove what you just posted you can get back to me with a,
Never mind, I screwed up. I was confused.
No apology necessary. I'll just chalk it up to the fact that you HAD to be thinking of someone else.
Flyersarebest

 

Now I could have said, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS but that would be taking advantage of you.
You see gargy, I started in 1971. First registered in 1976. First 100 straight was in 1977. First Grand trophy was in 1977. Shot a lot of ATA until 1981 when the mill closed. Not much from then till now but did have a year with five 100 straights and about a dozen 99's so I think I could still break 25. They were on 3 hole longer targets.And that just wouldn't be fair to take your money.
Flyersarebest

 

No Flyersarebest, I was talking about you because you don't want to have anything to do with the past or to put the game back to what it should be. You want slow easy targets that don't scare you.

I can't remember the exact year they went to the 2 hole target but I think it was the late 90's or early 2000's. I would say you probably couldn't shoot a

 

Shoot a what? LOL
The only thing that scares me is how,in your world, you came up with the CRAZY idea that I want the targets to stay the way they are.
Guess you missed the second response I posted to yours.

FlyersAREbest

 

1 1/4 shot....44 grains of smokeless powder.

 

I still play with a 870 from back in the day.... 36" full choke... brings back my childhood. I have no doubt saying that today i am pampered. We have voice activated puller, recoil reducing stocks, better quality components, automatic machines... list goes on and on.
I'm a fan of shooting history and I think Doctor Carver and the rest of the pioneers of the sport would laugh at the targets we shoot, they shot HAND THROWN FEATHER FILLED GLASS BALLS. imagine the predictably of those targets.

 

I will say this, if the targets we will be shooting are the old target settings w/+20 degree, addl angle being legal, I will say yes, they, the older shooters will prevail. My money will be on Dave Berlet, Louie Morgan, and Brad Dysinger and a few others that may come to memory.
Gary Bryant Dr.longshot