Angles - Flights - Machine Deals - Questions

I have asked these questions several times before on here.

#1 What was the deal that was to good to be passed up by the EC in cancelling the quotes on the purchase of new trap machines?

#2 where are the extra 8 machines?

#3 Who was the driving force behind changing the flights and parameters on targets?

#4 Were these changes made to accomadate machinery that could not perform to the rules in force at that time.

#5 What good has come to this sport due to these changes?

I am sure there are people that can honestly answer these questions, if you do not want to go on this public forum, then send me a private message. I give you my word it will stay private.

These are just a few of the questions that all trap shooters should be asking of the people in charge. Many of you believe that the cheating on was wide spread, It was not as bad as some people would like you to believe. But it was rampant in some parts of the country.

I was in the trap machine business I had machines shipped to my facility from all over the northern hemisphere. I could tell if the 1 or 2 hole was used for more than throwing into a head wind. That was when the 2 hole was supposed to be used. Then the wind would spread them to the 3 hole area.

You new shooters that have come on board after 2003 should read every one of Kenny's posts, you will learn more honest history there than with a lot of the other posters. He is giving you actual data, not slick sales job. Some change their stories to cover their seats.

This discussion should not be between differing sides of shooters it should be between the shooters and the men that were entrusted to uphold the honor and integrity of the sport. That is the only way it will be resolved, ask them why did you do this. What was the expected outcome of the action? What is going to be done to correct the problem we now have.

I have asked the mods to move the thread here and to relocate all responding posts....Coveleskie.

 

Can the ATA secretary be contacted about bidding of the Trap Machines, and the results?
Also Price Waterhouse Coopers, and Julie Smith the ATA Controller who resigned, and her Replacement
Mrs. Harden as the new controller? These people may know something.
Dr.longshot

 

Roger Bids had to be given out before April 13th, 2004 because The President & EC Committee reviewed the anticipated delivery for the newly purchased Pat Traps that will be installed in this years Ohio State Shoot Tournament and the Grand American World Trapshooting Championships Tournament, It was revealed that part of the purchase price for the Pat Traps will be funded by accrued relocation funds which has been charged at prior Grand American Tournaments ATA Minutes lines 746-749 April 13th, 2004
Dr.longshot

 

SE Zone VP Kenneth Duncan and SC Zone VP Neil Winston are continuing their research and collaboration with reference to Trap Houses, Flights & Angles. They stated their report
will be presented to the EC during the August 2004 EC Meetings
April 13th 2004 line 1126-1129.

 

December 27th 2003 Line 39 Purchasing options of the ATA owned & Controlled trap machines & automated voice release systems. President Kaiser reminded SW Zone VP that there were 2 points in reality that worked against his proposition.
#1 The State of Illinois when breached about purchasing Traps & Voice Calls desired by the ATA. Informed the ATA that their state purchasing requirements would Pre Dominate
(ie, they would have to develop an RFP of stated quality and quantity, and purchase from the lowest bidder)

#2
Consultant Mike Hampton on behalf of the state of Illinois had made it quite clear in his prior marketing presentations that he felt that, that it was a distinct possibilitythat he would be able to arrange a lease/loan terms for the traps to be used at the WSC. This position as (consultant Hampton) strongly indicated that we would end up with various Trap Machine vendors that would most probably present different target presentations for our members.
Therefore the President thought that if we purchased the Traps ourselves and be assured of standard target presentations, also the traps would remain the portable asset of the ATA and if we would relocate they would remain ownership and take the traps with us.
ATA Minutes December 27th, 2003 lines 368-388
Dr.longshot

 

#3
The Driving force behind flights and angles were VP Ken Duncan & VP Neil Winston, per their collaboration to be given to the EC Meeting August 2004 ATA Minutes April 13th, 2004
Lines 1126-1129

 

Dr Longshot, did that collaboration you reference have any impact on the minimum angle rule? Or are you talking about something else?

 

There is no doubt some people who have the answers to those questions, but they will more than likely never udder a word or come forward ... The "Transparency" was eliminsted long ago when it was found to be easier to scratch each others back and not have to answer to the mass'es about anything ... Integrity is another word that used to get tossed around a lot until some people found out what the meaning of it was ... Roger, I wish you luck but people knowing you are a Pit Bull will no doubt make sure you never get the answers you asked for ... Best of Luck my friend ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

I agree 100% wpt. I would guess they stay silent so they aren't chastised like a few others have been.

 

I have received some info already, and more is said to be coming. There are still some people that know about the meaning of integrity.

 

Ask Frank Rively. He wasn't allowed to visit those dark hidden corridors!

 

Roger, did they ever locate the CVR sets missing while still in Vandalia? I remember a very small paragraph in the minutes about it but never heard the outcome.

 

Roger.
Could you give us an update on this?