Taylor and Pull2012 LONG GONE ?

I read where someone on the forum implied that PULL2012, Rob Taylor and the gang, are long gone from the ATA. Would you be surprised that Rob Taylor of PULL2012 is a member of the ATA Real Property Committee?

Surprised?

Thanks to those in the trenches.
I report. You decide.

Merlo out

 

Nope, several still have some involvement.

What I've always had trouble understanding is that it appears that nobody . . . not the ATA President . . . . not the other Vice Presidents . . . . . . not one member of the Real Property Advisory Committee . . . . . nor any of the Delegates . . . . . ever asked the question :

Does anyone have a possible "conflict of interest" in the matter of the ATA office lease or intended purchase?

It appears that rather than conduct proper due diligence, all officers and our Board of Directors chose to be all-trusting, and believe that anyone with a potential conflict of interest would have made that declaration as required by the Conflict of Interest Policy.

Members of the Real Property Advisory Committee didn't even take time to see if 2012 Pull LLC was a company authorized to conduct business in the State of Illinois.

During negotiations on leasing the property, why didn't any official ask questions about the newly formed 2012 Pull LLC (only days old) and if other ATA members were involved? One question I've always had is why didn't the ATA members who purchased the property just tell the ATA about it so they could have bought it for $75,000 directly from the owner instead of $100,000 plus all the additional expense of leasing from 2012 Pull LLC?

So, in December 2015, ATA Controller read about Rob M. Taylor's involvement on the internet (most likely from this forum) and according to ATA documents, was the only person in a leadership position, interested enough to ask Mr. Taylor if he was involved in 2012 PULL LLC and the ownership of the property leased and eventually sold to the ATA.

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And, after learning of Mr. Taylor's involvement . . . . not one ATA official moved to conduct a conflict of interest hearing as required by the policy.

By his own admission, Rob M. Taylor created 2012 PULL LLC for the purpose of acquiring real estate in Sparta. 2012 Pull LLC was incorporated in Junction City, Kansas by the same lawyer used to incorporate the new Kansas Trapshooting Association when the old Kansas Trapshooter's Association was for some reason dissolved.

However, Mr. Taylor's name never appears on the initial documents organizing 2012 Pull LLC. Robert P. Robertson the lawyer gave his name as the organizer and a CPA named Dale Ramsey was listed as the corporation's agent. Sometime later Patrick Dawson of Midland, Texas was named President and reportedly negotiated the lease and sale.

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So, 2012 Pull LLC submitted Articles of Organization to the State of Kansas on February 3rd, 2012.

Pretty bold of the Executive Committee to meet with ATA employees on January 9, 2012, to inform them that the ATA planned to vacate the Vandalia property on or before June 1st.

How did notification of the relocation make the February issue of Trap & Field if they had no idea where they would find another office? Did someone have some inside information? The early December 2011 E. C. minutes state that the Executive Committee unanimously voted to approve the motion to relocate the ATA offices from Vandalia to Sparta.

President Jeff Wagner signed the agreement on February 23, 2012, to lease the property from Patrick Dawson of 2012 Pull LLC. The ATA office lease would start March 1, 2012. Mr. Dawson (using the 2012 Pull LLC Kansas address) and the owner of the property signed the warranty deed sealing the deal on March 9, 2012.

Perhaps both Mr. Taylor and Mr. Dawson could explain how 2012 Pull LLC was incorporated in Kansas by Rob M. Taylor and 2012 Pull LLC was the reported property owner who negotiated the lease agreement with the ATA with the appointed company president Mr. Dawson, but Mr. Dawson sold the property to 2012 Pull LLC on June 1, 2012?

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There remain so many questions on this matter that truly require answers. Our ATA leadership can continue to turn a blind eye . . . . consider it a moot point . . . . . or they can hold a long overdue inquiry as stipulated in the conflict of interest policy of which they all signed.

I'm fairly certain that Mr. Taylor voted on the motion to relocate to Sparta and voted to accept the Real Property Advisory Committee's recommendation to lease and purchase the current ATA office property. The ATA minutes will prove me right or prove me wrong. Everyone should be aware that the outgoing President is appointed to the Real Property Advisory Committee for a 5-year term. At this years reorganization meeting (during the GAH tournament) , the new president will provide a list of all committee appointments.
Pretty ironic that Mr. Taylor's name will again appear on the Real Property Advisory Committee.

In closing, I applaud Mr. Howell for he has more good sense and integrity than those we have elected to safeguard our organization.

Mr. Howell is the only person who correctly determined that Mr. Taylor was required to make his association known in advance and he failed to do so. But the reasons given which seem to exclude Mr. Taylor from the requirement are bogus.

Who received all the rent money?

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The big question is . . . . . WHY did Mr. Taylor withhold his association with 2012 Pull LLC if he believed there was no conflict of interest?

HB

 

Based on the facts as stated a person would think the Corporate Commission would or could get involved in something of this nature and conduct a complete investigation, sort out details and file charges if called for by the Standards of Law of what seems to be a case of insider trading (more or less ) ... I do not know of any defense that could be presented that would show this was not intentionally done for personal gain ...

HB, '
Once again my hat is off to you for presentation of facts in plain english and in such a way it is easy to understand ... The Membership obviously got it in the end once again ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

 

What upstanding delegate will stand up at the meeting and ask why these thugs are still running the ATA? The meeting is in a week.

Answer: I don't think there are any. But we will see.

 

AND HISTORY BUFF, WHY oh WHY was it stated in the ATA meeting minutes that "PULL LLC" was the seller, forgetting to include the "2012" in the name of the corporation.

I know for a fact there was a letter sent to the ATA officials advising them of the error in the minutes, and asking the minutes be corrected to read " 2012 PULL LLC ".

I Have NEVER seen the correction to those minutes.

My GUT feeling was this 2012 was omitted to throw the people off, who would be looking to see who PULL LLC actually was...Without that "2012" part of the name, it took some pretty good investigation to find the REAL name of the corporation. Thank God for the " Freedom of Information " or we probably would have never known.

Only one more piece of the puzzle...

 

Not one will raise a question regarding 2012 Pull LLC and the involvement of a sitting member of the Executive Committee. None cared when it happened so why would any care now, some 6 years later.

This matter was swept under the rug and few ATA members are even aware of the improprieties.

Anyone attempting to research 2012 Pull LLC today will come to a dead end. ATA minutes incorrectly identified the name of the seller as Pull LLC, dropping off the 2012.

There was a Pull LLC registered in Illinois that was dissolved in 2011.

According to the State of Illinois, the company the ATA leased and purchased their current office and property from, was not registered to conduct business.



Mr. Taylor dissolved 2012 Pull LLC on August 18, 2013.

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I wish I had just stayed a non-caring shooter instead of trying to pay attention to details, attempting to provide oversight of our ATA. I would be having so much more fun.

Again, not one Delegate will call for an investigation.

HB

 

Jim,
That's not fair, that one is a gimmie … If anyone did, they would be escorted out ,(carried out if need be ) that you can bet on … WPT … (YAC) …

 

HB,

Too bad that only a handful of us looked into this and Nobody within the ranks would even listen to us. When I received that comment from a Higher up "General membership will receive information on an AS NEEDED BASIS", I quit then and there.

The ATA let me down, not what some think that I let the ATA down.

Squeaky wheels got no grease in this case.

 

If anyone ever wondered why the Grand moved....this is a great thread.