Discussions between ATA and Cardinal Center - WSRC is a proven mistake?

I have reputable sources telling me there have been talks between the two parties. Numbers don't lie. The crowd isn't going to the WSRC.

Does Ohio want the ATA in town again?

I report. You decide.
merlo out

 

I think it could be the best thing for both sides.
The kids shoot and Ohio state is the only big shoots
Cardinal is drawing a crowd too anymore. We all know
Sparta is dying a little more each year. My buddy that’s
A vendor said 1600 for grand week unofficial btw. I can
say today was definitely smaller crowd then I’ve seen before

 

The ata site shows 1676 for the GAH event. That CAN’T be correct. winston said the shooters from the Midwest would make up for any OH and PA shooters that wouldn’t go to that place in ILLnews.

There had to be another 2000-2500 entries that the ata missed

 

Like I said before about Winston.......

 

I heard it was the other way around... SCTP coming back to WSRC....

 

Yeah right, your state screwed up so badly that the SCTP turned down FREE TARGETS to go back to that white elephant. But you heard they are going to go back to that place in the middle of BFN.
You should have started your post with, Once upon a time. That’s how all fairy tales start.

Here’s one for your storybook.
Once upon a time, thousands and thousands of Trap shooters from all over the Western and Midwestern states went to the backwater town of Sparta ILLnews to attend a shoot once known as the Grand American.

They came by car, truck, motor home, train and plane. They rode horses and donkeys. One even rode a camel. They hitchhiked, they walked all day and night. They didn’t sleep for days, they had to get to Sparta and the wsrc.

So many came that the number of paying shooters swelled to over four thousand for just one day.
After years of pathetic numbers and even smaller more pathetic numbers in the year 2026, it was a miracle I tell you.

And if the GAH event ever drew 3000?
It WOULD be a miracle.

 

Hi Brad....
The Grand just ended right? How many of the 4,000 SCTP that shot at the CC competed at the Grand?

And if your WSRC team and the ATA were capable and did their fiduciary duties there might have been 4,000 at the Grand. The SCTP will go there as a last choice. Very last.

Brad, i know you could lose your job without the SCTP and a bigger Grand. I would check the classifieds. That dog won't hunt.

 

For any of you that don’t know, Brad actually works at that place in ILLnews.
Don’t laugh, it’s true.
He posted that fairy tail thinking it would kind of “stir the pot” a little.
When you don’t have much else to talk about that’s what happens.

You will notice he DIDN’T post anything about how great the “grand” was. He didn’t post about the thousands, plural, that actually shot the GAH. Because there were less than even 2000.

He didn’t post anything about how there were only 2800 TOTAL classified shooters, and not all of them shot even one event.

He didn’t post anything about how many vendors contracted to be there then, when those contracts expired, how many chose NOT to return to that place due to the lack of people going there.

He didn’t post anything about how the state of ILLnews would sell that place in a heartbeat if they could con someone else into buying it.
My hope personally? I hope the ata spends millions and buys it.

He didn’t post even one line about how the “new” ata director increased participation at that white elephant.

He didn’t post about how the SCTP told the ata AND the wsrc, to piss off even after that real estate agent Gibson offered them FREE targets to come back.
That one HAD to hurt. All that money from all those families going to the CC instead of that place.

And remember boys and girls, whenever you hear anyone saying how terrific the “grand” is, it is supposed to start with, once upon a time.

 

Sadly the sparta area was never developed to its full potential. I remember being at the first sparta grand, and hearing all the talk about shopping centers, motels/hotels, etc. With the anti-gun crowd that's in control of Springfield, I am very skeptical of the state doing much for the area.

And the state has tried to sell the place, and never had any takers.

 

I almost forgot. Brad, would you be a gem and look into that number the ata posted for the entries for the GAH event. They claim there were 1676 entries. There is no way in the world that could be correct.

That place where they hold the shoot, and where you work, is after all called the WORLD shooting and recreation center so that pathetic number can’t be correct.

I understand you must be really busy getting things back to normal after the huge, enormous, overflowing crowd you had there so I don’t expect you you come back and tell us the true number of GAH entries quickly.
I’ll check back every few days to see what you found out. Looking forward to seeing the correct number.

 

please clarify which brad you're talking about.

 

The one that tried to troll the site by saying the “heard” the kids were going back to that place in ILLNEWS

 

I didn't try to troll. I only speak of what I heard, same thing as what the OP said...

 

Actually 1680 in the GAH paid, looks like only 1651 have scores. The results are easily available for everyone to see on the website.

 

Actually 2811.

The Grand was good just like any other year. I always enjoy seeing the people, no matter how many come.

There is currently a waiting list for vendor buildings. I only know a few stores that have moved out over the past 20 years. I don't remember hearing or seeing anything about them moving out due to the lack of people coming here.

Once upon a time a lot of things were great. Times change and peoples perception of Great vary from person to person. It's been 20 years since the move and none of those who have complained behind a keyboard have done anything to change it or try to change it.

 

I don’t want to change anything. I hope the ata buys that place and keeps that shoot there forever. I said that 11 years ago when this site started. Or was that 30 days ago?
The more money they have to spend to prop that place up every year the better I like it. The more I hear that the state of ILLnews wants to unload it the better I like it. I wonder if the state will close it down and can all of you before they sell it.

I can think of nothing better than to watch every year how many people DON’T go there. To have a prediction come true is really quite satisfying.

We told you so!

Things WERE great. Right up until the time the ata saw the word free, and the convict governor saw dollar signs. Then everything turned to crap. And that is exactly what you have there wsrc brad. Crap

 

Wow what perfectly dim witted thing to say. Could this guy be that ignorant of ATA and OSTA History?

The folks in Ohio built a better place and were throwing registered targets before the WSRC. They didn't try to get the shoot back. Flyer represents the attitude of tens of thousands of shooters. They just didn't go to that gun hate state.

This guy Brad just chased more away. SMH

I have been there. Won't go back. Suggestion to the ATA and WSRC representative Brad. Buy a clue