Al Ljutic claimed Ljutics had the fastest lock time?

Is there a gun with faster lock time?

 

Dennis DeVault build a gizmo to measure lock time. He claimed the MachOne was fastest in the game. I don’t doubt him. Mine was very fast. Took some time to learn

 

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Devault from 2009:

"As Hap suggested I do have a machine that ties into a computer. It is out to the manufacturer now for an update and calibration. When I first bought the machine in 1996 I started to check the lock times of several models of shotguns. What we discovered was the variance in the locktimes of triggers in many of the guns tested. The important thing I learned was the trigger sears had to be very hard and then polished for a consistant pull. The mind can adapt to any lock time but it does not have the ability to cope with change in the timing from shot to shot. When I did the original test below were some of the results and also the times were recorded in milliseconds and the machine was calibrated to 1 tenth of one millisecond in accuracy. The Silver Seitz fastest time 1.5 milliseconds slowest 2.5 milliseconds. Ljutic averaged 3.5 milliseconds. Original Seitz 2 milliseconds. Perazzi varied from 2 to 3.5 milliseconds depending on the main leaf spring. Winchester Model 12 (10) milliseconds. Remingtom Model 31 pump 12 to 14 milliseconds. Machone and Infinity .5 of one millisecond. I have stated this before, the lock time is important but the greater importance is that the trigger go off at about the same point shot after shot. A little story about this, some years ago I was at a live bird shoot and there was one shooter that was having a tough time with first barrel kills. That afternoon he sat down with me and ask if I could watch him and maybe let him know why his first barrel was failing him. He had shot the same gun for 15 years and all of a sudden the first barrel was gone. I stated to ask him questions, has your gun been worked on? He told me that he broke the bottom barrel hammer the month before and took it to a local gunsmith to replace the broken hammer. He requested that the trigger pull be reset to the original 3-1/2 pounds. He stated to me that the trigger was perfect on the pull weight and even brought out the trigger scale to show me. That night he came to my shop and I put the trigger on my machine and the lock time was about 6 milliseconds and it did indeed have a 3-1/2lb pull weight. Then I took the gun apart and discovered the problem, the gunsmith did the oldest trick in the book, he did not want to take the time to stone the sear face and change the ingagement angle to lighten the pull weight. So he cut 3 coils off the main spring to bring the weight down. I happened to have a spare spring and I installed that in the gun and stoned it until the pull weight was proper. We put it back in the test stand and checked the lock time again, it was 3 milliseconds. 100% faster than before. The guy went out the next day and in a 25 bird race and only missed 3 pigeons with the first barrel. This machine was the best money I ever spent because it takes all the guess work out of the equation. With out that machine I could not have made a positive assesment of his problem. I would have put the new spring in when I discovered it had been shortened but I could not have know what the final outcome would be. Just fuel for thought, but whatever you shoot make sure it fits proper, get some good coaching, and just enjoy shooting with your buddies.

Dennis DeVault"

 

Thanks for the article by Dennis DeVault--his Infinity is still the fastest lock time out there 3 times faster than a Seitz !!!I just sold my Infinity it was too heavy for my aged body. Learning to shoot it was very tricky.

 

If I was going to create a device that measured lock-time, I would make one that said my trigger was faster. Who disagrees?

 

I had heard about the DeVault device. But had never read about it.
Certainly spent plenty of time studying and trying to understand "lock time."
The mind is a powerful instrument. And while the fastest lock is not necessarily the best, I believe and agree anyway that the consistency would be.
Regarding the machine, the more relevant data one can have, the better decision one can make.

 

I would like to see the circuit design for the lock-time measurement.

 

Wonder how this would relate to a release trigger?

 

The lock time is the same for a pull or release

 

Lock time is about as relevant as shot string. The only concern with the trigger should be a consistent pull/release.

 

the krieghoff 32 claims in writing as being the fastest gun.
rem 3200 claimed a fast lock time as well.
any truth to that?

 

They were prior to Ljutic, then Devault Infinity & Machone, The Seitz is the fastest gun that is current made-there is no way a hammer gun can be faster than a striker gun

 

ok, so its safe to say, the 32 and 3200 are the fastest hammer guns. it would be curious... how fast they are.

 

???? Please explain that.

 

Seitz lock time is .0015 ms.hammer guns are usually .005-008 ms, Devault guns were. .0005 ms--but they are no longer being made

 

May there be an error in your times or terminology?

1 millisecond (ms) is 1/1000 of a second. ..... .0015 ms = 1-1/2 millionths of 1 second. ....I can't imagine any device capable of measuring that.