rules violations...

Only been shooting a few years, joined ATA and PITA.... read the rule books, even think I understand some of what I read.
Its interesting to watch a friend of mine shoot...... its not uncommon for him to "not shoot" at 3 or 5 birds out of 25 particularly if it is a poor/windy day...... If called for "loss" he becomes upset because he indicates his trigger finger does not always answer his command to fire...... and the only FTFs are from poor shells or equipment....... watched him a while back at a 100 bird registered...... they called "loss" as per rules and its amazing how quickly his trigger finger healed........... seems some folks have to push things just cause they can...... Larry

 

You are so right Larry.

GB....................DLS

 

Did you tell your friend that he was a cheater and unless he quits it you will unmask him on the internet, Larry? I hope so! Remember, the national associations cannot control this sort of thing* by remote control; it has to be shooters at the clubs and shoot managements who make it clear they won't stand for it.

N1H1

*Well, not always, I remember when the EC put at referee on a western shooter a the Grand American and he suffered a health crisis and had to be ambulanced away (and never came back.) Maybe you can be as effective, Larry. Good luck. And remember, if you don't do something, who will?

 

Many of FTF's are because of trigger freeze with or without release trigger system.

The trigger freeze happens because of poor fundamentals and bad habits.

The ONLY book that explain and describe causes and fixes of trigger freeze is on internet.

It is called "Curing trigger freeze and flinching" based on opinions collected from experienced European coaches,

The existence of FTF in the rule book is because of ignorance to understand trigger freeze and how to fix it!

Now, you have a tool to fix that and improve your shooting as well.

 

Perfect!
The 3rd and 4th posters can discuss the FTF rule.
All we need on this big race weekend is john wick and we will have our own trifecta.

 

N1H1, I have done so several times, as have others. He is an otherwise great guy but places his own interpretation on this issue........ Rules are the rules. While I will continually suggest he make a change only he can decide to do so. I am having coffee with him this morning, I have an ATA rule book I will be giving him... Although I am sure he has several....... Larry

 

One of my favorite stories of Dave Berlet is the time he was shooting at Mason Michigan in a 200 bird singles event and he forgot to load a shell for his first shot of the event. "Click" David assumed he had a bad shell but when he opened the gun he saw the empty chamber. This was before the days of all the allowable F.T.F. rules. The scorekeeper asked him to try again but Dave correctly called a lost bird on himself. He ran the next 199. David could have easily stuck in a shell and more than likely would have won the event with a perfect 200, but that goes against every fiber of his being. Rules are rules and he ALWAYS plays by the rules. Maybe that's why he is in the OSTA Hall of Fame and the Trapshooting Hall of Fame. I know for sure that his integrity is just one of the many reasons that I enjoy shooting on his squad.

 

I was at Vandalia for Ohio State Shoot or the GRAND when they put a delegate & ATA President Tom Acklin, He shot the Remington 1100 Auto, and was known for turning down Pulls, He still TURNED down PULLS in front of them and nothing was said. After he completed shooting I asked him to have his Blood Pressure checked and his Blood Sugar, He later Thanked and he said both were HIGH. Daro Handy. I told him I also had a Blood Pressure problem but got it under control, and I had
High Blood sugar under control. Combination of BOTH is BAD.

GB...........................DLS

 

When you shoot with him, Larry, each time he fails to fire at a target, stop the squad and raise your hand and ask the shooter why he didn't shoot. If he claims a failure-to-fire, make sure the scorer understands how to note that on the score card; walk over to the scorer-perch and make sure he has done it right (You have to know the wording of the rule, of course and having a rulebook in your pocket wouldn't hurt.) When he does it a third time, make sure the scorer knows it's lost.You should probably go over and check that too.

Do that every time you shoot with him and get the others at the club to do the same. Just make sure everyone at the club knows exactly what he's doing.

N1H1

 

Often I find that violation of the rules is due to lack of knowledge of the rules........ that goes for shooters and score keepers. I am going to suggest to our club president that each and every registered event we have that we make sure the score keepers have a bit of "indoctrination" and each one have a rule book at the scoring station....... I started this morning with my friend...... I suspect when he knows the score keepers know what is happening (and how to mark a score card) and he understands for sure what the rule is he will comply....... With anything, the more known about what one is doing the better the results. Larry

 

Since we're on the subject of rules violations, I have a question about a particular rule I've been curious about for some time. It can be found in the AMATEUR TRAPSHOOTING ASSOCIATION OFFICIAL RULES for the conduct of Registered Trap Shoots, page 12, Section IV, sub-section E, rule 3. It states:

"At any registered trapshooting competition, no person shall be permitted to enter and take part in any completed or partially completed event or events after Squad No. 1 has completed sub-event 1 of any new event. At tournaments shot “bank system” with several squads starting at the same time on several traps, the procedure shall be construed to be the same as if all squads started on the same trap."

If I'm reading this right, this means that unless a shooter is already entered into an event he/she should not be allowed to enter the current event after Squad 1 has completed their first house. How many times is this rule violated? It seems to me that shooters are often allowed to enter into events well after squad 1 has completed the first house.

This is why I always pre-squad my son. I don't want to get caught forgetting to enter or entering too late.

 

Very good question...... at the few registered events I have attended seems that folks are able to enter at most any time. Here there is quite a bit of travel involved to get to a shoot so "timing" may not always be as scheduled. I also suspect that at smaller clubs the rules are perhaps not as well known as at larger events and are perhaps not followed so accurately....... Larry

 

James, think of it this way.

I'm in squad 1 and have finished my four sub-events in singles. Trap one is empty again so I start the handicap. Once I finish the first sub-event of my handicap, no one can enter the singles anymore.

At least I that's it is saying, It depends on the words "has completed sub-event 1 of any new event."

Before someone points it out, this rule does not apply to marathons. I think it's generally used by clubs in normal events since there has to be an end called at some place in the program.

N1H1

 

James, the rule refers to squad one completing sub-event #1 of a "new" event. That means you can't start a new singles squad after the first handicap squad has completed their first trap Assuming caps is the second event of the day in this example..

 

Gary, that's an old rulebook you are looking at, but the rule goes back much further than 2011. Either look at a new rulebook, or maybe under "Firing position and Shooting Order" or some similar heading that may have been used depending on the year.

 

The same basic rule is the 2005 rule book that I have in my desk. It is a different number IV.D.3 and uses a reference "shoot up". Otherwise it's the same.

 

Or, the ATA could just do away with the dumbest rule ever put into trapshooting.

 

Okay, I guess I was misinterpreting the meaning of "new" in this statement. I read it as the event that was just starting, not as the event that happens next. Makes more sense now. Thanks for clearing that up for me.