Last Years 2014 Winter Meeting per ATA minutes

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  1. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    Evidently was not open to all State Delegates, as only 9 were in attendance, they were Rob Taylor,Wayne Morris, John Burke, Jim Jones,Terry Roush, Alan Radway, Tom Burkey, Lynn Gipson, and Hunter Galloway. Expenses allowed were $115.00 per day=$1035 x 6days=$6210, $66.00 per day per diem
    X9 =$594.00 x 6 days=$3564.00, Lodging $99.90 x9 =$899.10 x 6days = $5394.00 Plus Travel expenses mileage allowed by Federal Charitble. I would allow an increase of approx. 10% due to inflation, all of which could have been done by Internet Webinair and saved the ATA tens of thousands of dollars.

    Boys and Girls what do you think of how Transparent our ATA really is? And Economical?

    Gary Bryant..................Dr.longshot
     
  2. Leonidas

    Leonidas Mega Poster Founding Member

    Maybe just maybe the other delegates had other issuers and couldn't make the meeting.
     
  3. duffkjs06

    duffkjs06 Mega Poster

    Wasn't that an EC meeting? Why are you multiplying everything by 6 when they were only there for 12/8-10, also, isn't Gipson local, if so he doesn't get any travel related expenses.

    The minutes of the meetings are posted, although I think a little slow, so how much more transparent do you want them to be?
     
  4. Smithy

    Smithy Mega Poster Founding Member

    Duff
    There is a difference between the minutes and the results of the meeting isn't there? To re-use a phrase how unreasonable would it be to give a few brief paragraphs? Why do you protests so much?
     
  5. duffkjs06

    duffkjs06 Mega Poster

    Well, unless you are present, what other avenue is there? Decisions are made, based on the meetings, the minutes detail what happened at the meetings.
     
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  6. Smithy

    Smithy Mega Poster Founding Member

    Duff...no need to be defensive. The point is that these guys do not have to wait for the minutes to be formally published. I think most of these members would have been happy with a brief statement of decisions that were made. Sounds reasonable to me.
     
  7. iowa guy

    iowa guy Mega Poster Founding Member

    Gary, The $115 per day lodging expense listed in the minutes was in reference to the approved amount in the accountability plan. The $99.90 number was the actual cost for the rooms. You used both in your calculation of total expense.

    You used 6 nights lodging for a 3 day meeting. Why? Since the meeting started at 8:00 on 12/8 I would assume that most attendees arrived on the 7th. The meeting adjourned at 10:30 on 12/10. Looks like a 3 night stay. If you have reason to believe there were actually 6 night stays please share.
     
  8. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    The meeting lasted 5 days plus 1 day arrival time

    GB......................DLS
     
  9. dr.longshot

    dr.longshot Grudge Match Champion Founding Member Forum Leader Grudge Match Champion

    A person would have to look at the expense report to determine the total length of their stay, and days billed.
    I will then stand corrected, we do not get to see the EC BOD Expense reports, I believe the stay was extended due to problems with the IDNR.

    GB..................DLS
     
  10. Bat

    Bat Mega Poster

    This gets comical, the level of confusion.

    Gary, you specifically referenced the winter meeting, which is an Executive Committee meeting. That's why no BOD members were in attendance. Pretty simple.

    As Iowa guy said, it lasted from the 8th to the 10th, a 2 or 3 night stay. Potentially 4 business days with travel. I haven't read the ATA's policy, but the $115 is probably the per-diem rate for lodging in that area of the country and the $66 is likely for meals and incidental expenses. That's a $181 per diem per day per person. Usually there is a proration for the partial days. Even without any proration, you overstated the cost. Your total is actually about 2.3 times actual.

    I going to guess that you are trying to talk about the 2015 winter EC meeting ? If so, you have to understand its pretty tough for a reader to follow your line-of -thought when you title the thread "2014"